We Wanted FDR, We Got Neville Chamberlain

[WillyT]

Peace in our time.



Ah well...

:shrug:

[EOTE]

1. The analogy is apt, of course.

But a similar thread was deleted a bit ago, so I guess pointing out the obvious is verboten.

[Catherina]

2. What good does it to to disappear threads? It doesn't make the sentiments go away.

I'm perplexed as to what that's supposed to accomplish. I think it's very dangerous not to let the Democratic Party staffers see how people feel.

[WillyT]

4. And See, I Think It's Constructive To Point Out Our Displeasure...

Otherwise, how will they know their way back to forgiveness... and votes in 2012?

:shrug:

[DearAbby]

29. !

Yeep yeep uhuh. Seems pretty silly not to allow our disgust about this be seen. We need to let them know exactly how we feel, Here and on the phone, emails, letters.

[kenny blankenship]

3. Or Vidkun Quisling

Chamberlain was merely a fool.

[glitch]

10. Good point. nt

[sasha031]

5. I have been saying that in private

[Joe Bacon]

6. Nope, we wanted Superman

But we got Super Chicken instead!

[JamesA1102]

7. No you wanted a liberal version of George W. Bush nt

[WillyT]

8. That Makes Absolutely NO Sense

Please explain.

:shrug:

[yurbud]

18. someone who went to the mat to advance their ideas and made the other guys compromise?

and Obama wouldn't have to go the extreme of breaking the law or committing war crimes to get there, just take some political risks, be willing to lose some issues, and play to the limit (but within) the rules.

Is that really so hard to understand?

[JamesA1102]

28. Someone who would act like a dictator. nt

[girl gone mad]

17. We got the neo-liberal version. n/t

[Moondog]

9. Chamberlain didn't use

a Teleprompter.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

[apocalypsehow]

11. Because agreeing to a compromise regarding tax policy is JUST LIKE appeasing a genocidal dictator,

right? Right?

...


:eyes:

[sudopod]

12. No, but it's analogous. nt

[WillyT]

13. Not Too Familiar With The Evolution Of Fascism I See...

right? Right?


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:hi:

[apocalypsehow]

14. Translation: "Course it's not, but the title is eye-catching & the Godwin thing is good for Recs."

:woohoo:

...


:hi:

[WillyT]

15. It IS Eye-Catching... Isn't It ???

The evolution of Fascism has more to do with Mussolini that with Hitler.

But that wasn't your point was it?

:hi:

[Bigmack]

16. Worse. Actually, Chamberlain had....

no negotiating power. Germany had re-armed and the Brits were standing there in their skivvies.

Pres. Obama, on the other hand, has majorities and political capital.

[Stoic]

19. We needed a Ulysses Grant and got a George B. McClellan

Grant only knew how to fight and move forward against his enemy. McClellan had too much sympathy for the Confederacy and wouldn't fight. I hope someday we get our Grant.

[SidDithers]

20. You wanted someone who interred 120,000 of your fellow Americans?...

How would that bit of "progressive" governing have gone over today?

Sid

[WillyT]

21. Yeah, And Andrew Jackson Murdered Millions Of Native Americans, And Obama Is...

currently blowing the shit out of innocent Pakistanis and spying on, and threatening assassination of, Americans...

Your point?

:wtf:

Disingenuous bullshit, and you know it.

[Kaleva]

22. FDR was very good at the art of compromise and of making deals

[dflprincess]

23. There's a difference between compromise and capitulation.

FDR knew the difference.

[Kaleva]

25. Depends on how one views the issue

Civil Rights leaders may well have thought that FDR capitulated on civil rights all together when he ignored the issue in order to retain the support of the Southern Democrats who controlled the Senate for his economic programs. For those who believed FDR's New Deal kept the nation from descending into anarchy, this may have been viewed as a distasteful but necessary compromise.

Others questioned FDR's signing off on the agreement to allow Stalin's Soviet Union to retain control of Eastern Europe which basically passed of the people of that region from the control of one murderous despot (Hitler) to another (Stalin). Others have pointed out though that such a deal kept Stalin with the Allies when he may have gone ahead and made a separate peace with Nazi Germany.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. This was not compromise

it hasn't been about compromise.

[Kaleva]

27. See post #25

[dflprincess]

24. Couldn't agree more WillyT

I've said the same thing myself a few times... Though I'm starting to think Chamberlain may have had more of a spine.

[nichomachus]

30. More like FDR than we care to think about

FDR came to be seen as an enemy to the interests of the people who put him in power.

[WillyT]

31. Well Hello, KO !!!

:shrug: