Jesus Christ will you LOOK at this place!

[annabanana]

Where the hell am I?

[southmost]

1. that's what i've been thinking for the last few months

and it has gotten worse

[annabanana]

2. This looks to me like kind of an inverse denial of service attack. . n/t

[originalpckelly]

5. I think there's a DoS attack going on in Washington if you ask me.

And it's about damn time we end it.

[Ruby the Liberal]

19. +1

[Dappleganger]

75. Nice.

;)

[Laelth]

3. For the moment, it's the premier LIBERAL American political forum.

Remember, we're the ones who, if we had our choice, would have elected Dennis Kucinich President, twice. DU's membership is to the left of the American People, in general, and to the left of the mainstream Democratic Party.

As you can see, the left is quite upset at the moment. That's what you're seeing.

-Laelth

[WCGreen]

10. Not me...

I will continue to vote for him as my representative but will never vote for him for any executive position.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. +1000

[Individualist]

+1

[leveymg]

35. No, the vast majority of us worked hard and wore out shoes electing Obama.

We are the Democratic base. If you don't like it, go post somewhere else. But, wait - the Blue Dogs have no on-line presence, except maybe a few sites. Like, here:



You'll be happier there, I can tell. Tell Rupert we sent you . . .

[Laelth]

38. When the Democratic Party nominates Kucinich for President, I'll listen to you.

Until then you're whistling Dixie (and I mean that quite literally).

-Laelth

[leveymg]

47. You're the one who keeps mentioning Dennis as the alternative.

Why do you obsess about him?

[Laelth]

58. I'm just suggesting that DU is more liberal than the mainstream Democratic Party.

That Kucinich regularly wins straw polls for President around here is proof of that. That's all.

-Laelth

[leveymg]

63. The mainstream Democratic Party may be more liberal than you suggest.

It seems that in most polls, going back decades, the American people are significantly more liberal on the issues than most of their elected officials, in both parties.

There's a disconnect here that is remarkably unremarked upon in the corporate media. Those politicians that are outliers usually are vilified in the same media, particularly the ones on the left. What does that tell you?

[okieinpain]

72. sorry but dennis would never make, palin would get further then

rep. kucinich.

[Spider Jerusalem]

41. Who is "we"?

I don't remember a majority of support for Kucinich in this forum at any point in the 2008 election cycle. Nor for that matter 2004. If DU elected the President, based on the primary arguments et cetera, we MIGHT have a President Hillary Clinton instead of Barack Obama, but she is not any more of a 'liberal' or a 'progressive', and is just as much a politician of the centre-right.

[Laelth]

57. I remember seeing primary polls both in 2004 and 2008 that Kucinich won handily here.

DU would have nominated Kucinich both times. Feel free to do the research, if you're so inclined.

Indeed, though, you ask a good question, "Who is 'we?'"

-Laelth

[Spider Jerusalem]

59. I seriously doubt that.

And I ask the question because I think it's presumptuous of you to speak for everyone here when not everyone here shares your opinions.

Also? You do the research, and post it here. You're making the claim, you back it up. The burden of proof is on your side.

[Laelth]

60. I have no interest in doing your homework for you. n/t

-Laelth

[Spider Jerusalem]

61. Not my homework, bucko.

I remember the primary season of both 2004 and 2008 here quite well enough to doubt your claim that Kucinich had a solid majority of support; you claim otherwise, yet you're too lazy to back it up. So I can only assume that means you're prepared to withdraw your assertions?

[SidDithers]

66. Apparently, you have no interest in doing your own homework either...nt

Sid

[bvar22]

70. She doesn't have to.

She has a good memory, and is historically accurate.
Posting the TRUTH is its own reward.
See Post #64.

[Spider Jerusalem]

79. Comprehensively refuted; see post 78.

No response, I notice.

[bvar22]

64. You are very wrong about that....among other things:

[Spider Jerusalem]

67. NB: "primary season". 2007? Not primary season.

And 380 out of 1076 total is also not a solid majority (learn 2 math).

[bvar22]

68. Changing the Goal Posts?

You need to work on Reading Comprehension.
It IS right up there^^^^
We WERE talking about The Primaries.
Here,
I'll help you out with another Screen Cap.



I'm cool with your mistake.
No apologies necessary.

[Spider Jerusalem]

78. Not at all.

Not only do you not understand math, you apparently don't understand politics. Look at the results of the poll you posted. From autumn 2007, months before the primaries. Kucinich was at 380 out of 1076, less than 40% of the total. Candidates marginally or significantly to his right had most of the rest of the votes, which says, what? That the majority of DU is to the right of Dennis Kucinich. Not that DU would have nominated Kucinich. That 35% or so was probably his ceiling. even on DU; as other candidates in the field of Edwards/Biden/Clinton/Obama/etc, the 'mainstream' Democrats, dropped out, one or another of the other not-Kucinich choices would have picked up their support. This is how politics and the nominating process works. Thanks for playing, though.

[sendero]

4. You are at..

... the forum of broken dreams. Where even the democrats are really republicans. It is really that bad.

[Texasgal]

8. Sooo...DRAMATIC!

:rofl:

[Skittles]

6. REALITY

[polichick]

9. True - and it ain't pretty. nt

[Skittles]

14. that's the problem

we should have been sitting REALLY PRETTY by now :(

[polichick]

18. That's true too - it's been one unecessary loss after the next...

It's as if Dems have purposely pissed away the opportunity of a life time. Very sad.

[woo me with science]

50. [phone] nt

[LibraLiz1973]

7. He's looking, but......

[rug]

12. That's what I thought when I heard the announcement.

[ProSense]

13. Preparing for reality helps. n/t

[Renew Deal]

15. The McConnell acolytes are on a rampage.

[stevedeshazer]

16. The cutting edge of progressive opinion. That's where this place is.

The truth hurts.

We're ahead of the curve.

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. In the midst of pissed off progressives who are sick of being sold a load of shit

that only benefits the uber rich in this country?

Reference the 1960s.

[patrice]

20. This place is being played from the Left & the Right for the same purpose: Divide & Conquer

[RKP5637]

25. Yeah, exactly what I feel is going on ... n/t

[patrice]

33. I know out here amongst the grassroots the fight for volunteers is i-n-t-e-n-s-e!

We should do like the plutocrats do and be MUCH more active in the churches.

[KittyWampus]

51. It's called Ratfucking. And the Rightwing knows how to play us like a fiddle.

[NNN0LHI]

21. Single Issue Underground

Grab onto a single issue that bothers you and draw a line in the sand.

Roll with it.

Don

[SidDithers]

31. +1...

"line in the sand" is the newest fashion trend at DU. Everyone's wearing it this year.

Sid

[patrice]

34. base-building, a.k.a. head hunting

[PufPuf23]

37. Which line?

Civil rights?

Finance and fiscal and monetary policy?

Education?

Environment?

Wars?

Human survival versus kissing the dirty ass-crack of the globalist economic monarchy?

Claiming losses as wins?

Integrity?

pffhhhh.

[NNN0LHI]

56. Which line?

Rising property taxes is my line in the sand.

That one may not be important to you but it is to my wife and I as we would like to be able to afford to continue living in our home after we finish paying for it.

There you go.

Don

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. Not "a" line in the sand. The "tenth" line in the sand.

The first 9 were diminishing levels of support.

:thumbsup:

[bobbolink]

65. Will the time ever come when the Homelessness Crisis rates on priority lists?

[chimpymustgo]

48. No! It's EVERY FUCKING THING! Wars, taxes, spying, health "reform". WE GET SOLD OUT!!!

And we're FUCKING SICK OF IT!

[Mimosa]

54. No single issue here.

But some people want to demonise the base.

[blondeatlast]

52. I think you've got it. nt

[RKP5637]

22. DU IMO is a reflection of some of the difficulties in the dem party. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

23. Yeah, pretty off the hook, isn't it?

Apparently it's become Kick Obama out of the White House ASAP Underground...when it can be decided just how to do that. And if those who so keenly want him gone aren't too angry/demoralized/paralyzed with fear and/or betrayal to figure out how to focus.

:crazy:

[southmost]

24. see, you don't get it

high and quick k&r's go to all the threads with Obama and the Dems suck

these self analytical threads only attract trolls

[SidDithers]

26. Kick and fucking rec...

it's Fun Boy Three 'round here.

Sid

[bvar22]

27. I KNOW!!!

People actually cheering moving the Tax Load from Billionaires to the children of the Working Class.



Truly Through the Looking Glass.

[ibegurpard]

45. yeah, i could read all this supply side shit at the RNC website

[Individualist]

77. Truly!

Reading those posts is like reading posts on FR when the chimperor was in the Oval Office.

[jefferson_dem]

28. Ridiculous, huh?

I'm starting to wonder if we're really being punk'd. Ok, folks. The joke's over. Time to get serious.

[patrice]

32. Do you think it does more harm than good to be constructive in this environment?

I keep wondering who's lurking and why.

Maybe it is time to leave.

[Ramulux]

29. Whats the problem?

I dont get it, what are you confused about?

[patrice]

30. Do you think we could just hang out here until it blows over?

:yoiks:

[annabanana]

42. That's what I usually do when DU

has a seizure.

[a kennedy]

49. now here's a great idea.....

:toast: :fistbump: :yourock: :applause: :patriot: I'll be back.

[madrchsod]

36. just think of this place if it existed during lbj`s presidency...........

[Le Taz Hot]

39. DemocraticUnderground.com

Let me know if you need further assistance. :evilgrin:

[malaise]

40. Good question

I think we've been invaded by the site snatchers
;D

[annabanana]

44. uh huh

me too

[Vinca]

43. What country am I in?

[myrna minx]

46. You're in a country where "democrats" celebrate and cheer on a President who shifts the tax

lion share burden from the wealthy onto the broken middle class and the working poor. :woohoo: Next up, conga line for the dismantling of social security. I can't wait to hear the twisted logic to excuse that.

[Mimosa]

53. You're posting at Democratic Underground, I think.

What your point is, who can say?

Nothing is all that different, not with us honest old timers who've been here in good faith.

[KansasVoter]

55. Realityville, you may never have visited it before.

[Fuzz]

69. The Underground, where we stand on principle instead of cheering everyone with a D behind their name

??????

[PBS Poll-435]

71. Makes me sick nt.

[JuniperLea]

73. I'm trying not to...

I fall off the scale to the left. I'm what my mom used to call a bleeding heart, tree hugging liberal. I am quite used to not getting everything I want; it really wouldn't be fair to all if I did.

What I'm seeing is a lot of people who want the same things I do, but have no patience for doing the right thing. They want what they want, no compromise.

I used to be that way too. Not a healthy place to be, imho. This is where politics becomes a hell of a lot like religion: there's always some pontificator who thinks that what they want is the right way, and the best for all. The only problem with that way of thinking is that there are thousands of other pontificators just like them, but with a different POV.

[Scurrilous]

74. The New DU.

And it rocks!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[harun]

76. I'm in Progressive Jurassic Park, and I like it.

[lame54]

80. Do you mean DU or America?