So who would you perfer, Obama or Palin as your president

[brettdale]

Ask yourself this if your planning on not voting in 2012.

[leftstreet]

1. Is Obama running?

:shrug:

[Lord Magus]

34. Chris Matthews, is that you?

I'm pretty sure Tweety is the only person who actually thinks it's uncertain.

[msongs]

2. false choice lol nt

[quinnox]

3. you guys need some new material

this is beating the same dead horse for the millionth time. And how do you know Palin will be the nominee in the first place. Crystal balls are bullshit.

[Skittles]

4. they are beyond pathetic

they are as embarrassing as Obama

[DearAbby]

10. Obama better hope it's Palin

that could be his ticket for re election.

[mmonk]

13. Yep.

[Individualist]

25. nothing but the same stale memes over and over and over, etc.

[piratefish08]

77. shit gets old, huh?

[AndrewP]

106. +1

[donco6]

108. Gag. n/t

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. TPTB will never let her have the nomination

The country club set only tolerates her as a useful idiot for the aging teabagging masses.

Bookmark this. If nothing else today's capitulation on last minute estate tax relief should tell you all you need to know.

[somone]

Bingo

Palin doesn't want the job anyway. She'd rather make lots of money by pretending she wants the job.

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. Job pays HALF of the US Postmaster General

IIRC, $400k vs $800k

You have a point, not taking into account post-'service' speaking fees and book deals.

[blondeatlast]

75. Precisely. nt

[whatchamacallit]

9. They might

Right now the tptb are getting pretty much whatever they want, so using Palin to hand Obama another 4 years is something they might see as beneficial.

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. Now that strategy I will buy

I hate humanity.

[whatchamacallit]

26. Heh, I hear ya. (nt)

[ddeclue]

6. Dennis Kucinich or Alan Grayson..either is far better than your two choices.

[Lord Magus]

32. They're also not choices.

They're not going to be on the ballot.

[ddeclue]

36. Don't care... I'll write them in before I'll vote for Obama again.

[Lord Magus]

43. Might as well stay home, then.

You'd have the same effect without wasting your time in line at the polling place.

[ddeclue]

45. Not a waste... It's like leaving a penny tip... makes sure they know you didn't just forget.

[NorthCarolina]

80. Stay home? Not a chance, better to make a statement with your write-in vote. nt

[Lord Magus]

90. In the real world, nobody will look at your write-in vote.

I mean that literally, they don't even check who the write-in votes are for unless they end up being a plurality of the votes.

[NorthCarolina]

92. If mine is the ONLY one, then probably not.

I'm not so sure that will be the case though.

[bigwillq]

74. Me too (nt)

[Ozymanithrax]

7. I will vote in 2012, but I think we have seen a Read My Lips Moment.

Obama will be primaried and will win the primary.
He will lose in the general election, and it won't matter who the Republicans win, though I will be very surprised if Palin is their nominee.

[blondeatlast]

78. On the R side, Palin is actually the least of my worries. I've seen Jan Brewer in action;

Palin is no more adept than Brewer.

But Huckabee or Kyl or Romney or Boehner...

:scared:

[Lord Magus]

114. The Huckster is just as weak as Palin.

With the added baggage that he can (and if he builds any primary momentum, will) be Willie Horton-ed for that quadruple cop killer he let out of prison. And Romney's a Mormon. Evangelicals won't be able to suppress their bigotry and support a Mormon.

[HughBeaumont]

84. I'm pretty sure he's not going to lose against their set of candidates.

Not a single ONE of them is good enough to get more than a 50% vote. They all make Bewsh II look like a moderate. I just don't see Palin, Romney or Gingrich winning independents, moderates or fence-sitters.

Plus, if hiring doesn't pick up even after the compromise on tax cuts for the rich, the Republican business elites will officially have drained their last remaining excuse for their "uncertainty" and the Republican ham-n-eggers will never be able to pin the "tax-n-spend" label on Obama. America is only going to buy the shiny objects and bullshit for so long. We cannot allow them to only hold OUR side to results.

[DearAbby]

8. I don't take to threats very well

sort of like the "if you don't worship this LOVING GOD, you're going to hell to burn for eternity" Bullsheeyit. I am sick of having my vote taken for granted, just to keep the other "gasp" side from office. Let those chips fall, the sooner the better. Then maybe we will have something in which to build upon.

The line has been crossed tonight. There is no going back. I am going to unplug from the illusion of a two party system. Why play the game. I voted for Hope, I got Hype.

[ddeclue]

12. Excellent! You should LTTE this to WaPo

[Goldstein1984]

11. Would you rather have a cold sore or genital warts?

You are talking the lesser of two evils, aren't you? The least worse? The candidate who sucks the least?

I'll chose a third party candidate and place a vote that will let me look myself in the eye while I shave.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Lol! (nt)

[whatchamacallit]

15. Lol! (nt)

[whatchamacallit]

17. Lol! (nt)

[bigwillq]

76. ....

:thumbsup:

[Scurrilous]

96. DUzy.

You ROCK!!1!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[frylock]

16. i vote for giant douche

[kenny blankenship]

50. You just want to be on the side that always wins!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

18. Palin of course, right? I mean we have to burn a village to save it, right?

[Greyhound]

19. OMFG, LMAOROTF!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[BzaDem]

23. The perfect pictoral representation of cognitive dissonance. n/t

[Greyhound]

30. You learned two big words!

:rofl:

[BzaDem]

39. That's two more than someone else in this thread. n/t

[Greyhound]

46. We can begin working on comprehension next year.

We've lowered the bar so far that a ditch had to be dug, and still he grovels...

You represent the 12% of this nation that either still doesn't get it, or who's paycheck depends on not getting it.

But fear not, it's almost two years before the next election and we have the attention span of a gnat with ADD so there is always "hope".

:rofl:

[d_b]

57. pwned

[Swamp Rat]

120. HAHAHA!!

:rofl:

[Individualist]

24. +1

[GaYellowDawg]

22. How about a primary challenge?

Why not someone like Alan Grayson? If Grayson primaried Obama, he would DESTROY him. Grayson is just as sharp, and actually has a spine.

[Bobbieo]

27. Anyone ever consider Jerry Brown - I know he is old but if he can clean up California?

[somone]

55. Jerry would be a great choice

unfortunately I heard he's not interested

[JDPriestly]

59. Good idea.

We have lots and lots of possibilities. And frankly, if Obama gets the nomination, I will write in the name of the most popular GOOD candidate, the one who runs against him most strongly and makes the most sense. I will not vote for Obama again.

[Raine]

28. So Ridiculous

actually shamefully ridiculous come up with something new.

[Major Hogwash]

29. My patented Palin dildo goes on sale January 3rd when Congress reconvenes.

Do you want to know what is so special about my Palin dildo that it received its own patent?

It only spins to the right!!

:rofl:

[laughingliberal]

31. Unrec. False dichotomy. nt

[Individualist]

33. I purrfur cats.

[laconicsax]

35. Are you saying that you only voted for Obama to keep McCain out of the WH?

At least I voted for him because I thought he'd do some good in office.

[guitar man]

37. The fuck difference does it make

It could be Pee Wee Herman and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference, the same handful of billionaires are going to tell the government what to do no matter who is elected. The last of the illusion has been swept away and I'm sitting here staring at the brick wall at the back of the theater...

[Hawkowl]

44. +1000 .nt.

[Raine]

64. Totally on point nt

[deutsey]

82. I assume you're making an allusion to Zappa's quote about democracy

He really did hit the nail on the head, didn't he?

[guitar man]

94. yes

he was brilliant and right on target ;)

[myrna minx]

89. This is how I feel, as well.

:-(

[readmoreoften]

101. +1. You got it.

[Bluebear]

103. +++

[TheKentuckian]

38. I suggest hiring some real marketing people.

You can't ride "better than Palin" forever. Obama is already delivering John McShame's stated agenda, surging around and taxing health care benefits and all.
In any event, you're wishing too much. History should tell us that the Republicans are not only capable of nominating the worst possible candidate and still winning or at least getting close enough to pull shenanigans.

Plus, you are setting the bar very low. You run the real risk of them nominating someone with reasonable negatives on the national stage that won't talk straight fucking absurd like King, Angle, and Palin and you effectively say that is OK or at least survivable.

In fact, the people that are that scared of her should be kicking the ass of every Democrat you can find to shape up before they turn Phailin into the default candidate.

[Marr]

40. Who cares if Palin is president? I'm told a minority in one house of Congress is all you need

to stop legislation.

Is that suddenly not true again?

[emilyg]

41. Stale.

[opiate69]

42. I'll take "False Dilemma Fallacies" for the win, Alex.

:eyes:

[last_texas_dem]

47. It's possible for a candidate to win an election mostly due

to their not being as bad as their opponent, but it's not any sort of strategy I'd recommend.

Look, a lot of people are (justifiably, IMHO) venting right now, but, in the end, come 2012 and if Obama is the Democratic candidate, the *vast* majority of DUers will be casting their votes for him. DUers are not the folks we need to be worrying about sitting out the next election.

Activists and the liberal base of the party will be there to vote for Obama two years from now, even if it's one of the most passionless votes they've ever cast. But if Obama doesn't start both showing more backbone towards advancing legislation that will improve the economy and the lives of real Americans and doing a better job selling the real accomplishments he has had in office so far, soft Democrats and liberal-to-moderate independents aren't going to care about turning out for him; they may not be voting Palin or whatever nutjob the 'pugs put up, but (as 2010 proved) the nutjobs will win if non-crazy (but not strongly political) people don't feel they've be given a strong enough reason to turn out.

[JDPriestly]

60. Not me. I will write in the name of a strong Democrat if Obama runs again.

[Bluebear]

48. "If your planning".

Duh.

[JackRiddler]

49. I may pilfer, but I'll never perfer.

[LooseWilly]

51. To be honest, I'm not sure I care anymore.

They both seem to just do what they're told... or, am I missing something?

[BlueIris]

52. Even if we wind up with Palin, at least the corruption/incompetence will have an 'R' next to it.

[Fool Count]

53. That's an easy call - Palin.

At least she wouldn't be able to get the Democrats in Senate and the House to go along with this so-called "tax deal" and it would never
get through if she were President.

[tkmorris]

54. That's your standard? He's better than Palin?

Hell, Bush was better than Palin would be. Does that make him a swell guy?

[Berry Cool]

56. False dilemma.

Stupid question.

But I am planning on voting.

[JDPriestly]

58. Is there really a difference? Palin will be controlled just like Obama is being controlled.

For once, why don't we get a really good candidate -- like Elliot Spitzer or Howard Dean or Elizabeth Warren just to name a few.

[frustrated_lefty]

61. False dichotomy, try again.

[Canuckistanian]

62. Who would I perforate?

Well, I'm not a violent man, but....

[TexasObserver]

63. First, there's a primary on both sides.

She has to win hers (and she won't).

He has to run again (and he may not), and he has to win his primaries (and he may not).

The odds of them facing off in 2012 are small.

[Bonobo]

65. Ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahah!

[mdmc]

66. Bush!

[Ganja Ninja]

67. Would you prefer Palin or someone other than Obama?

Because he's so unpopular with the base he's become a liability in 2012.

[MyNameGoesHere]

68. D. None of the above. n/t

[boomerbust]

69. Palin

The entertainment factor would be priceless. I thought this country hit rock bottom after Bush. Nope. It might take a Palin presidency to get us there. Anything is possible now.

[cherish44]

70. of those choices I'd rather have Obama

[TheCowsCameHome]

71. Hmmm. Tough one.......

That will take some thought.

[LWolf]

72. Neither. And I've never considered not voting. nt

[lunatica]

73. Black/White, either/or mentality

FAIL!

[hobbit709]

79. I WILL vote in 2012

I will vote for the Democratic nominee even if I have to hold my nose and curb my gag reflex.

But that doesn't mean I have to like it and I may vote differently in the primary.

[deutsey]

81. Bill Hicks quote

"I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs."

"I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking."

"Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!"

:evilfrown:

[leeroysphitz]

83. who gives a shit.

[TBF]

88. +1 nt

[NorthCarolina]

85. The answer is simple. NEITHER. I want a true Liberal and peoples advocate. nt

[undeterred]

86. I'd rather have Ben from L O S T than either one.

[TBF]

87. Guess what - I don't care. Honestly do not care. IT WILL NOT MATTER -

the working class (and that includes asshole professionals who think you are so high and mighty) is being screwed over and as we see that will happen under Obama as easily as anybody else.

No way am I voting - it changes NOTHING.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

91. Neither.

Next question.

[blindpig]

93. Tell me something...

How much worse would it be today if McCain had won? Would we have health care written by the corporations? Would imperial aggression be full on? Would BP have been held to account? And what about that DADT thing? Would McCain have put Social Security on the chopping block?

Yep, those Republicans are so scary, the horror. Viva la difference.

[JoseGaspar]

105. The difference would be...

...that there would be more resistance.

And, there would be no pretense that a program for screwing the populace would suddenly be emblazoned with the shining slogan:

"REALLY REALLY HELPING REAL PEOPLE (but not you), one teensy, tiny, itty bitty, increment at a time (except when we are going backwards, which is really almost all of the time)"

[blindpig]

107. While I was hoping to see what the OP had to say....

your conclusion is undoubtedly the right one. Bushes couldn't do it, not even Raygun could pull it off, but Nixon went to China...

[GreenStormCloud]

95. Well, at least I would know what side Palin was on. N/T

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

97. I plan on voting. But, it won't be for either of them.

[readmoreoften]

102. +1

[Bluebear]

98. Tough perfer choice there.

[racaulk]

99. /facepalm

[readmoreoften]

100. Don't care. Get me real candidates or STFU.

[lame54]

104. At least with Palin you will get what you vote for

[xocet]

109. ?

Is perfer (sic) intended ironically in reference to Palin?

[Safetykitten]

110. Here we go...

[eShirl]

111. Wouldn't perforating someone be a bit rude?

[Bluebear]

115. :)

[Cal Carpenter]

112. I'd prefer a shark with a fricking laser beam on its head for President

:shrug:

[krabigirl]

113. Neither. How sad that you think that i won't be voting.

[H2O Man]

116. please

[Strelnikov_]

117. Palin

World ends in 2012 anyway, so we may as well be entertained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

[Swamp Rat]

119. Good point... gonna party hearty!

:toast: :party: :smoke:

[Iggo]

118. ...you're...