You don't have to like Julian Assange to recognize that he's being railroaded

[cali]

in a very ugly way. What's going on regarding this man is utterly despicable.

from the BBC

<snip>

Five people, including journalist John Pilger, film director Ken Loach and Jemima Khan, the sister of Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith, stood up in court offering to put up sureties.

But District Judge Howard Riddle refused bail for fear Mr Assange would flee the country and he was remanded in custody until 14 December.

Gemma Lindfield, for the Swedish authorities, gave details of the allegations against Mr Assange.

One of the charges is that he had unprotected sex with a woman, identified only as Miss A, when she insisted he use a condom.

Another is that he had unprotected sex with another woman, Miss W, while she was asleep.

Mr Assange, who was accompanied by Australian consular officials, initially refused to say where he lived but eventually gave an address in Australia.

<snip>

Here are the charges per the Swedish prosecutor:

THE CHARGES

* Unlawful coercion - used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
* Sexual molestation - had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom
* Deliberate molestation - molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
* Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

Something stinks in the kingdoms of Great Britain and Sweden.

[RKP5637]

1. Yep! It's a definite frame job IMO. n/t

[Better Believe It]

2. And he was at the top of Interpol's most wanted list, unlike real terrorists!

Many hundreds if not thousands of people are wanted by nations for real sex crimes.

And how many of them are on Interpol's wanted red list?

Answer:

None.

And the judge won't even give him bail because he might flee after he voluntarily turned himself in!

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. I wonder how many flight risks turn themselves in.

[bigtree]

4. it is ugly

naked authoritarianism

[pscot]

5. K&R

[MineralMan]

6. Of course he is. Civil disobedience without being arrested is a

waste of time. Rule 1.

[MineralMan]

7. " Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep"

Having sex with an unconscious person is rape in most jurisdictions in the United States. You didn't know that?

Where's the defense of the women? Is it OK to have sex with a sleeping or passed-out woman? Really? If so, there are a bunch of frat boys who have done jail time unfairly.

Where are the DU feminists on this one?

[cali]

8. If he raped her why the hell don't they charge him with rape?

what they've charged him with doesn't even carry jail time.

I'm a feminist, not a moron. That this is a set up couldn't be more obvious. Research it yourself.

[MineralMan]

9. I do not know. I'm not in Sweden.

You'd have to ask the Swedish officials that question.

[Mimosa]

15. Same here. Feminist, not easily fooled.

Unfortunately, Assange's desire for some human closeness led him to the classic set up.

[krabigirl]

20. These women threw themselves at him, one bragged about it afterward.

Women like this send women's rights back many years. Feminism doesn't give you the right to be a lying scum and a hypocrite. They were just sad that he didn't call them the next day.

[PVnRT]

10. I'm amused

You seem to think there are a bunch of frat guys in jail for rape right now. Most rapes are never reported, and a fraction of those reported end up with convictions. lulz

[MineralMan]

13. I know of three this year from the local university.

That many people are not punished for rape does not remove the law. Or, maybe you think it does.

I have never had a sexual encounter that was not completely mutually agreed to in all respects. I guess I was brought up right.

[PVnRT]

18. Your extrapolation powers are amazing

Suddenly, I'm a rape apologist. There are three convictions from your local university? Based on the statistics, that means there are about 20 more, at least, walking around free for every three in jail.

The main point is in cali's response to you. Why didn't they charge him with rape instead of this nickel-and-dime nonsense? That's the central issue of this thread, and instead you try to deflect by making emotional appeals - HE'S A RAPIST AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A RAPE APOLOGIST. Yawn.

If he did it, he's a slimebag. I've never said any different, and the fact that I'm not giving you [phone] doesn't warrant you calling me a rape apologist, either.

[MineralMan]

24. I do not know why they didn't charge him with rape.

I don't even know what Sweden's laws are on that subject. And I didn't say anyone was a rape apologist, either. And yes, many rapes go unreported, unprosecuted, and unsolved. That does not make them not rapes.

What I said that what he did is classified as rape in many jurisdictions. I did not call anyone a rape apologist. I say exactly what I mean to say. Reading other things into my posts is a mistake.

[Kali]

31. what he did?

you mean the (probably trumped-up) accusations he may have been charged with?

[MineralMan]

33. OK. Yes. What they claim he did.

Neither of us know whether he did it or not, now, do we? That would be for a court to decide, I'd think.

[krabigirl]

21. Same here.

[TBF]

12. BS - trumped up charges to go after someone they don't like. Free Julian! nt

[Kali]

16. maybe we simply don't buy the bull shit???

don't have to buy every story to be a feminist do you? is gullibility some kind of feminist trait?

[MineralMan]

19. You can do whatever you like. Those are the charges listed

in the OP. I'm commenting on one of them. Of course Assange is being railroaded. I said that, too. But, the charges are the charges. I'm not in Sweden, so I don't know their laws. I certainly wasn't there to witness what did or did not happen. They have their excuse for arresting the man. I don't know what he did or did not do. Do you?

As I've stated several times, I oppose such releases of classified information.

[Luminous Animal]

17. Q. Where are the DU feminists on this one?

A. Because rape victims don't brag about their conquest on Twitter and in SMS texts afterwards.

Which is what Assange's accusers did.

[cali]

22. ding, ding, ding.

[chimpymustgo]

Exactly. This is so disgusting. And scary.

[chimpymustgo]

27. Exactly. This is so disgusting. And scary.

[glinda]

35. I am not a feminist but I have experience in this area of life and it is painfully sad to me that

if they bragged and if they attempted to bag him sexually they are liars and I think it is they who may well have committed the crime since they sought advice for such.
Really. Total looks like a set up. But it is a little late to even be discussing that one.

[Kali]

30. and another thing

while the swedish system may work differently, for us in our system: what happened to a presumption of innocence?

[Catherina]

11. That indeed it does. n/t

[Poboy]

14. recommend

[krabigirl]

23. I agree. And he turned himself in. Shame on these countries, shame on us,

[lightningandsnow]

25. Progressives can commit sexual assault, too.

And I'm actually really grossed out by everyone assuming the accusers are lying just because we like the politics of the accused.

Fucking someone while they're asleep is rape. And in cases that are difficult to prove, lesser charges will often be pursued to increase the chance of securing a conviction.

I have a friend who was abused by her (now ex) boyfriend. A lot of people really failed in supporting her because her boyfriend was a progressive and an activist. These attitudes are why she couldn't get the support she needed.

[Luminous Animal]

28. Do you believe that rape victims brag about their conquest after the fact?

Because both of these women, one via twitter one via texts, did.

[cali]

29. gee, no kidding.

but rape victims don't generally brag about the rape as a sexual conquest.

And c'mon, the circumstances of this all should appear suspicious to any thinking person.

[Better Believe It]

32. Can't spot an obvious frame-up? What would it take?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. No. But being heavily sedated or monumentally gullible might help.

[glinda]

34. Once they have him it is over as he will be sent along possibly to the US. The only hope really

is that there is a rescue. Seriously.
I have no trust for any of these systems after reading about all the questionable crap in the past that they have done. And it is a mistake to think there will be fairness in this all. There is no fairness in crooks.