Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Salon's Lind nails it: Nobody represents the American People.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:17 PM
Original message
Salon's Lind nails it: Nobody represents the American People.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/07/lind_american_people

< article >
The disconnect between the actions of the government and public opinion is the central fact of American politics today. It doesn’t seem to matter whether liberal Democrats or conservative Republicans are in power. Only minor, marginal reforms ever take place. The basic outlines of American economic policy and foreign policy remain the same, even as Congress and the White House change hands. The changes promised by progressive Democrats and Tea Party Republicans are quickly discarded after the elections.

The changes that do take place are often the opposite of those that majorities of Americans want. Most Americans want Social Security to be strengthened and American manufacturing protected. But the conversation among elites inside the Beltway-New York bubble is about cutting Social Security and more one-sided "free trade" deals with mercantilist nations that, unlike the U.S., protect and promote their domestic industries.

Many Americans have come to the conclusion that nobody represents them in Washington anymore. They are right.

< / article >

So yeah, the capitalist class has succeed at throwing the rest of us under the bus. Your $10 donation and hour spent canvassing is of little value to the politicians in the age of big donations from the Gates/Buffett/Koch set as well as attack ads, 24 hour cable news, and Citizens United. The political process is centralized to operate around the elites and therefore it will operate to benefit their agenda.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. That's a good article ...K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:26 PM
Response to Original message
2. K&R Lind does indeed nail it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
3. If Obama represents the "Liberal Democrat" side of their equation
They got that part wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
4. Perhaps we could set up a liberal version of the Tea Party.
We could find some liberals who are not willing to kiss the ass of the big corporations and would fight for the average person like the Democratic Party I grew up with in the 50s and 60s.

I had hoped that Obama was the President that would return our party to what it once was.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. If you look at the numbers
liberals ARE the Democratic Partys version of the Tea Party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Good point. (n/t)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. I think thats the point, national leaders will fail us every time. Obama, Stewart, et. al

The only way we will effect real change is to become more grassroots. Maybe by building smaller local groups and then converging those at the regional Democratic Party meetings. And we should definitely be engaging our representatives at the town hall meetings, regardless of party and grilling them about Citizens United, etc.

I am going to be sure to catch my local teabagger congressman the next time he does a town hall and hopefully get a question or two in. I'd like to see if he can look me in the eye and say he isn't shilling for BP or Koch Bros. or Big Pharma.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. The Tea Party may represent the Big Corporations ...
I really have no idea as I know no tea baggers and have never attended one of their meetings. If the corporations were responsible for setting up this party they are far more devious than I gave them credit for. Hell, they already own most of the Republicans and Democrats in Congress.

What did impress me is that a small number of conservatives were able to create a powerful grass roots organization that has shaken up the Republican Party.

With all the dissatisfaction in our own party, we should be able to do the same. We might be able to create a more responsive Democratic Party that delivers on its promises to its voters for a change.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Example of how the 'Tea Party' is representing the rich, not those who turn up to their rallies
There's another article on Salon: Tea Partiers gripe at the tax cut deal. Oh, I thought on seeing the headline, a bit of buyer's remorse from the voters who thought they were electing people to 'cut the deficit'. But no, it turns out the griping is not about the cost of the tax cut for the rich 2%; it's about the far smaller cost of extending unemployment benefits. And the "Tea Partiers" are Michele Bloody Bachmann and similar representatives, who say not a word about the cost of the tax cut for the rich. The deficit is only a problem to them when it involves any benefit going to the non-rich.

I'm not sure the Republican Party has been shaken up at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Much will depend on what happens in the next two years ...
the Tea party may fade away or get absorbed into the Republican Party. It could also gain in strength and in the primaries for the next elections throw out the more liberal Republicans and replace them with conservative tea baggers.

It should be interesting to watch.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. The Tea Party will fade away once Obama's presidency is over. Theres really only one issue that

motivates the Teabaggers I know. They just have a general distrust of Obama because they have been led to believe he's a Marxist Socialist Kenyan Usurper with a fake birth certificate. Pretty much anything Obama does is gonna be wrong to them because to them he represents "the other". Once we get another male/white/Christian in office these peoples anger and outrage will suddenly and mysteriously disappear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
5. This is why I've been so haunted and depressed as of late.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 01:30 PM by myrna minx
It's horrible to wake up and realize that it's all a sham, no matter who is in power. :-(

I feel so betrayed and have lost my trust in the democratic system.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Still Waters Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. I feel the same way. A kick to the stomach every damn day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. K&R. It seems that there's only been one big Ruling Party since 1980. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Ah, perhaps George Carlin's club.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 01:36 PM by BadgerKid
And you and I aren't in it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
9. And, they wonder why 40% of the people no longer bother to vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I really don't think they wonder. I feel like they are THRILLED that is the reality.
And I feel like they know pretty well the why of it as well. It seems intentional from my perspective at this point.

Get the populace to tune out and not pay attention. That way they can do whatever they want (which they clearly are doing currently).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. I know a lot of people who don't vote because they say it makes no difference ...
and I find it hard to argue with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:42 PM
Response to Original message
11. Mind how you pick your friends. Lind's been pushing...
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 01:59 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...a 'national liberalism' since Up from Conservatism almost 20 years ago that's indistinguishable from the kind of Third-Way-ism that people on here otherwise deplore. His 'Vietnam, a Necessary War' is a good place to start.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
12. This is a good article.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 01:51 PM by Uncle Joe


We should not idealize the mass membership movements of the past. The old party machines were notoriously corrupt. Unions were often racist and in league with organized crime. And local civic organizations were often snobbish and clique-ridden.

The point is that the existence of these mass membership organizations, along with dues-paying charitable organizations, served as transmission belts bringing demands and values up from ordinary people in local communities to politicians and policymakers at the state and local level. These institutions complemented elections and made electoral democracy work.



Maybe we can evolve to something better.

Thanks for the thread, Erose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
14. As far as I can tell, there is only a handful of Dems trying to help
the American people. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. If we want to, we can change this.
We can vote those who do not represent us out of office and replace them with Democrats who do listen to us.

Anyone, Republican, Democrat or Independent, who puts the Big Corporations in front of the people who elected him, doesn't deserve to be in office.

If the people we elect to replace the sell outs fail, we just replace them too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
19. It was ever thus. I don't think the founders ever envisioned political office as being a career.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #19
28. Exactly. Citizen legislators, all walks of life. Wow.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
20. k&r for the sad truth. n/t
-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
22. We have become a corporatocracy and they're not even pretending to hide
it any longer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:10 PM
Response to Original message
23. Sigh
the illusion of choice, the illusion of freedom.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:23 PM
Response to Original message
25. BINGO! thanks for telling the truth on this!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:11 AM
Response to Original message
29. K & R
I dunno about Lind, buyer beware, but other than a couple of false equivalencies (left is no better than right, and our groups are no less astroturf - sounds like false equivalence to me), this is an excellent article that speaks an important truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:18 AM
Response to Original message
30. "Liberal" Democrats have not had power since 1965
I would not call what is in Congress today "Liberal" in any way, shape or form. It's center, right, far right, and too crazy to talk to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
31. I came to that conclusion several years ago.
This is just more confirmation that politics is now just a spectator sport.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
32. So what are we going to do about it?

Politics of the masses, of the street, is our only option, numbers is all we got.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 09:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC