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anthroguy101 Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:20 PM
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Tax and Unemployment Agreement Leads to Job Growth
Source: Center for American Progress

Our analysis of the framework tax agreement that President Barack Obama announced yesterday, including additional tax cuts and an extension of unemployment insurance, finds that 2.2 million jobs will be the end result. In this time of economic distress, millions of new jobs are, of course, very welcome. It is, however, unfortunate that these jobs have to come from an agreement that is a balance between large, unneeded, bonus tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and the needed continuation of unemployment benefits, middle-class tax relief, and additional help for the economy for the rest of us.

While the terms of the deal are understandable given the effective veto power of conservatives, it is unfortunate that policies aimed at the vast majority of Americans and at boosting the economy were held hostage to wasteful tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent. But the Obama administration clearly had its eye on job creation in its willingness to accept $133 billion in misallocated bonus tax breaks for the rich in exchange for policies to sustain the economic recovery and help the middle class.

We estimate that the deal as described would save or create 2.2 million jobs, excluding jobs associated with the extension of the broader-based portions of the Bush tax cuts on which all parties were agreed. To give an example of how the $133 billion used for the bonus tax cuts, including estate tax cuts, could have been better used: If it had been instead put to additional payroll tax cuts, 2.7 million jobs would be saved or created. Or alternatively, of course, the deficit could have been $133 billion less. (see table)

Read more: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/12/tax_agreement.html



I'm stuck on the fence for this one. I don't know what would be better: extending all tax cuts or increasing taxes on everybody. That's really the only two options we have. If we raise taxes on the middle class, it would be bad for the economy. If we don't raise taxes at all, it's bad for the deficit. Your thoughts?
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:24 PM
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1. It would be better if that 2% would move to Abu Dhabi
and see how they like living in the "rich paradise" under the thumb of a heredity ruling class. Blech. Dana ; )
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:41 PM
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2. Well, heck, then they should be able to show us all the millions of jobs
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 02:42 PM by jtuck004
created by these tax cuts from the time they were enacted during the Bush administration. These have been in place for 10 years - we should be absolutely swimming in jobs. And since we get such a great return from unemployment perhaps we should encourage the firing of more people - we could gain even more!

Gosh, with the tax cuts on the wealthy, maybe they will build additions to one of their homes, and hire more housecleaners? And no doubt this will leave a little over for home health care aides for people who spent their retirement trying to save their homes from foreclosure after the investment banks Ponzi Scheme.

This is so much better than a plan that rebuilds our industrial job base and creates a sustainable economy.


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HDPaulG Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:42 PM
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3. Why didn't Obama state this?
Obama couldn't simply state this himself?
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:43 PM
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4. When the talk about job creation you have to ask in what country are the jobs going to be created.
The US Chamber of Commerce said the same thing last week and they talked about the global situation and job growth around the world.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:01 PM
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5. I hate the 'saved or created' language
It just reeks of BS since you could put any ridiculously high number in and say that jobs were saved.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:35 PM
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6. I'm a Keysnian on this one, though luxury spending does not create many jobs...
This recession hit everyone in the equity pocket, McMansions may have lost more value than moderately priced homes. Foreclosure rates are high in some of the McMansion suburbs

Long story short

I'm not sneering at the importance of any consumer spending for the demand side, regardless of the multiplier
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groundloop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:36 PM
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7. I've put some thought into this "compromise", it may actually not be that bad
Economists have said for some time that in the short term we need to create jobs, even if the deficit gets bigger. As much as I hate the fact that millionaires are getting more tax breaks, this agreement at least helps stimulate the economy while also keeping unemployment benefits flowing. It also has the added effect of exposing the repubs for what they are after they were willing to screw unemployed Americans if they didn't get tax breaks for millionaires. I hope and pray that Democrats will use this to full advantage in 2 years.


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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:36 PM
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8. The rich have veto power over the rest of us. Thank you for the crumbs. nt
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:43 PM
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9. The puerile cry of the Jon Stewart Democrats
Jon Stewart Democrats are only good for the same things they were when they were the 1933 German Social Democrats:

Making bad jokes while betraying everything their party ever stood for.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:47 PM
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11. Correction, making GOOD jokes!
He is one funny motherfucker, for whatever that is worth in the face of growing evil.

Which is nothing.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:51 PM
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10. The same authors were calling for an expiration 6 mos ago


"More than half of the total benefit from the Bush tax cuts this year alone will accrue solely to the richest 5 percent of Americans while the middle 20 percent of Americans will reap only 7 percent of the benefit."

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/07/let_cuts_expire.html

Even the additional payroll tax cut is not enough to stimulate more than just a token demand, and that's only if people
ignore their debt and spend it, which didn't happen with the last stimulus.

And with only a year extension of unemployment benefits, if we had to give this to get it this time, what do we have
to give up next year? And the next, and the next? It will be 13 years and 4 months before we see 5-6% unemployment, and
that's if we create 250,000 private sector jobs EVERY month for that entire period, something that has never occurred
in the history of the United States. Ever.

There are a lot of loose figures supporting this, and the wealthy profit the most. Makes me really skeptical.

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