KO: "We are not loyal to an individual! We are loyal to a priniciple!"

[muntrv]

[malaise]

1. And when last did the Democratic Party practice those

principles. Clinton was ReTHUG lite.

[roguevalley]

15. I don't think that Obama can get it. ITS ALL ABOUT HIM! HIS

FAILED AND STUPID VIEW OF HIMSELF AS A UNITER! He's delusional. His ego is going to kill us all.

Piss on him for coming to the mike and calling out US and not getting it. The problem isn't Liberals, its his ego and his delusional point of view. HE SAYS HE TAKES JOHN BOEHNER AT HIS FUCKING WORD that he doesn't want to see the government collapse. That is a sign of his fucking stupid ego-driven point of view.

[Dappleganger]

18. Anyone who believes a word Boner says

does not deserve MY vote again. Ever.

[Tansy_Gold]

20. Yes, yes, and yes. n/t

[malaise]

21. It's painful to watch

but I disagree with you re the ego part.

[jefferson_dem]

24. You mean "uppity", right?

[Donnachaidh]

27. uhh, looking for racism where there isn't any?

Desperation makes people put words where there weren't any.

Great Big Giant FAIL and a low that is shameful.

[bvar22]

59. There have been others trying to play the Race Card on DU today.

If I oppose Obama's Trickle Down plan of borrowing BILLIONS to give MILLIONS to the very RICHEST Americans, I MUST be some kind of racist!!!

[liberation]

74. I assume that was the talking point they got for today...

... yesterday they were either accusing people of hating the unemployed, or directly recycling Republican talking points regarding the correlation between tax rate reduction and job creation.

It has become surreal really.

[sudopod]

34. Derp

[ProudDad]

75. Yep...

When in doubt they wave the shrunken heads to try and scare us, don't they? :rofl:

[Smashcut]

50. Oh goddammit STOP IT with the race baiting.

If that's all you've got left, you've got nothing.

[Le Taz Hot]

51. The last refuge of one

who has utterly lost the argument. Pull the race card Tsk Tsk.

Disagree with Obama = you are a racist.

You know that never works around here, right?

On edit: I'm having some serious *%&%## computer problems today!

[avaistheone1]

66. No

you did.

[davidwparker]

78. Do NOT bring race into this. I concur with what he said

and I am no racist. "Uppity" suggest things which the comment did not mean.

Shame on you.

[truedelphi]

33. Seemingly, Obama takes every single person he meets at thier word, as long as

The person is out for the interests of the Big Money, Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Military point of view.

That became perfectly clear when he relied on BP itself to help him sort out the Oil Spill Catastrophe.

I would not at all be surprised that to hear that he has directed the Smithsonian to hire the lone Parisian Art Thief (from earlier this year) to install their security network.

Obama only meets with progressives when he is strong arming them to accept his BS. (like when he took the plane ride with Kucinich, and then threatened Dennis about his losing his Committee seat if not voting for the HCR bill.)

[avaistheone1]

67. Winner.

:thumbsup:

[Lorien]

56. Absolutely. nt

[MissDeeds]

65. +1zillion

Calling US out? How freaking dare he! Let's see him get elected without us.

[davidwparker]

77. "Piss on him" - Lord, have mercy. You guys are a trip. n/t

[ProudDad]

73. I think it was 1965 - Medicare

Oooops, that was the republicans -- the dixiecrat Dems voted against it (today's blue-dogs)...

Maybe 1972-3 -- EPA, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, etc... that Nixon signed...

[davidwparker]

76. Jimmy Carter, for whom I have such an appreciation now.

The last, great (D) President.

[Subdivisions]

2. Wow!!! n/t

[Hissyspit]

38. VIDEO Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x532922

[Subdivisions]

40. Thanks Hissyspit! n/t

[jefferson_dem]

3. Principle over Progress!

Hip-Hip-Hooray!

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Principle over Progress?

I don't get your point.
Let on the logic in it.

I don't have a tv so I'm ignorant.

[jefferson_dem]

23. I didn't see the special comment but, based on reactions, KO was slamming Obama for caving...

And not fighting and sticking to principles, etc.

My point is that this perspective sounds really cool and all, and makes us feel punchy about "truth to power" and so on ... but in the end, we have not actually passed any meaningful policy the people could actually benefit from. You know, the old "purity versus pramatism" or "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" debate?

Acutally, Obama addressed this very point today. Now it seems KO is determined to provide a pitch perfect illustration -- http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/obama-dresses-down-sanctimonious-and-purist-progressives.php

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[jefferson_dem]

37. Can you read? I said I didn't watch it.

I followed reactions here and on twitter.

Why not put away your stupid pilfered pictures and use your own actual words? Tell me where i'm wrong...if you can.

[liberation]

71. So basically, you're admiting you do not let facts deter you from your narrative.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Riddle me this batman

people who are FAR MORE QUALIFIED than either of us in the economy... like a Nobel Prize winner in Economics and a former IMF Economist agree that this is a really bad idea.

You think increasing the deficit is a good idea?

Especially with something as NON STIMULATIVE as taxes for the very wealthy?

[jefferson_dem]

42. Good question. But ... hell no. I will not make that case.

In fact, I bet you and I are both opposed to those tax cuts to an equal degree. Where we probably part ways is that I am willing to *consider* sacrificing those in order to achieve progress in other essential policy areas.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Yeah but if they kept at hit they could

have gotten the Unemployment Extension that DOES NOT help the 99rs anyway. They are out of luck.

[1monster]

62. Then watch it here! Of courese I doubt that it will change your mind,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x532922

considering other posts you have made today, but for most of us, Olbermann nailed it to the wall.

Obama has let us down time after time after time, breaking most of his promises, in spirit if not always in actual fact. Even when he delivered on his promise for health care, as an example, he did not deliver what was promised and he could have. I dropped insurance for my son and I when it became a choice on whether to pay the premium and not eat or to not have insurance and eat. Now we will be required to purchase insurance under penalty of law and the affordable price offered is more outrageous than it was when I dropped it in the first place.

Obama has snatched defeat out of the very jaws of victory time and time again. And when he wins, there always seems to be a strong oder of Pyrrhic victory about the wins.

With this "compromise" Obama has just about finished digging the grave for the United States that St. Ronnie started and at an accelerated speed.

[liberation]

70. Say what now? you're implying that having principles is a bad thing?

...in order to justify your very subjective notion of "progress." It becomes then clear that you are grasping at straws and can't fully comprehend the ultimate logic of what you're saying.

[BzaDem]

4. Correct. He is loyal to ensuring that none of his principles ever become law.

Yeah, let's screw the 26ers because we couldn't get a deal for the 99ers. That's "standing on principle."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

5. That is what you call a woodshed beatdown

[TwilightGardener]

6. Well...that's nice. I am interested to see what principles get passed in the Senate.

[saigon68]

7. We have Bush Lite Now

Look Mommy the man has no Clothes his winkie is out

[BrklynLiberal]

8. Keith! You said it all!!! and said it well!!!

[Supersedeas]

55. from torture accountability, to healthcare, to tax cuts for the superwealthy

[neverforget]

9. Pres Obama: "I will fight to end them (tax cuts for the rich)" Except now which I won't fight

to stop.

[Donnachaidh]

26. but I promise you, *I'm itching for a fight in 2 years*

:rofl: :rofl:

[neverforget]

47. No fight now.....but in 2 years boy I'll show them!

:rofl:

[bluethruandthru]

52. but only if my republican friends don't threaten to do bad things again.

Then I can't fight them.

[xchrom]

10. Recommend

[Raine]

12. CORRECT and Obama needs to realize that! nt

:mad:

[phleshdef]

13. In other words, we can show everyone how sanctimonious and pure we are while getting nothing done.

Just like the President said.

I'm still a fan of Keith, but he is exactly the kind of person that deserved the comments the President made today.

[roguevalley]

17. really? I can't agree but that is what this place is for. For those of

us teetering on the abyss, we can say a hearty THANK YOU, KEITH! I AGREE WITH YOU 2 ZILLION PERCENT!

[phleshdef]

25. Thats exactly what all this anger at Obama is and has been about.

Its about beating one's liberal chest and showing the world how uncompromising and spiney and all that good shit one is, while completely ignoring that you don't have a large enough majority of law makers that are willing to give you all this stuff that you want and not giving a damn because you are PROGRESSIVE.

Its digusting superficial bullshit.

[Kalyke]

31. No, I say, quietly, it's not about chest-beating.

It's about how regressive this country has become. It's about the fact that there is no hope. It's about the fact that this country has slid into the corporate divide.

It's about fascism and how we're the last generation to see democracy. Our kids/grandkids will not.

[phleshdef]

35. That not the kind of thing I take issue with.

I'm with you on all of that. That doesn't change the utter lack of reason coming from a vocal minority on the left whenever Obama isn't able to deliver on certain things. They just don't WANT to even try to understand his position.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. That is the same minority that is ineffective that you will want in 2012

the same that will not show to vote... and it is not that insignificant either.

But hell, the debt ceiling should be fun. If the RNC goes through THAT threat... there goes the American Empire.

Enjoy.

I mean for that it will not be a few million held hostage... but 300 million hostages.

[BzaDem]

22. Exactly. Keith is precisely who the President's comments apply to. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

28. Right.

Here's the video of POTUS from today - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca0n_4oK70Q&feature=player_embedded - that KO perfectly illustrated tonight.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. Getting things done. Like folding to the Repugs and giving the rich more money. Yay!

And, let us not forget escalating a lost war to avoid bad PR. Yay!

[Individualist]

61. There's the purity meme again.

as asinine as it is stale.

[1monster]

63. I'd rather have had nothing done. Then those tax cuts for the wealthy would expire.

:cry: Boo hoo :sarcasm:

It's my opinion that Obama deserved the comments of Olbermann rather than the opposite.

[liberation]

72. When you subsume your principles in the name of "getting this done"...

... how exactly do you gauge whether or not those "things that got done" were the right or the wrong things to do?

The level of logical dissonance, and the endless stream of vapid talking points trying to push marketing and cult of personality over critical thinking, that I am seeing from some people in this site is scary to say the least.

[Scurrilous]

14. That millionaire speaks for me!

:thumbsup:

[Dappleganger]

16. He speaks for me!

[FiveGoodMen]

19. If only that sentiment was universal!

[sasha031]

29. yes we are

Thank you Keith

[WiffenPoof]

30. And Therein Lies...

the difference.

The President made a point of saying that we could stand on principle and not serve the American people.

Whether you like it or not, the Republicans got what they wanted because they stood on principle. We may not like their principles...but they stood steadfast nevertheless. The President wants us not to hold to OUR principles as Democrats.

I don't understand it.

-PLA

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[highplainsdem]

45. K&R

[Little Star]

46. k&r

[Individualist]

48. K&R

[Major Hogwash]

49. Is that what he said? Because when he started that rant I changed the channel

And watched some gals hawking jewelry instead.

Honestly, the next time Keith wants to make a "special comment", he should lock himself in his bathroom and do his shtick in the mirror!!

[meow mix]

53. K&r

[donco6]

54. The Other Side hates "principles."

They only get in the way, you know. They interpret "principled" as the opposite of "compromise." They don't understand that a real compromise doesn't and cannot violate core principles.

[seabeyond]

57. did KO measure in the "loyality" to progressive mentality of not letting the least of us sink....

regardless of the sacrifice. or does he use this argument rom only one perspective. the one that meets his agenda

[VeryConfused]

58. Who is KO?

[FiveGoodMen]

68. Keith Olbermann

Keith Theodore Olbermann (pronounced /ˈoʊlbərmən/; born January 27, 1959) is an American political commentator and writer. He was formerly a sportscaster and news anchor.<2> Olbermann is the host of Countdown with Keith Olbermann, an hour-long nightly commentary program on MSNBC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann

[readmoreoften]

60. I'm loyal to not starving the working class to death. And that means no tax cut extensions,

no social security tax cuts, and no more neoliberal nonsense.

[defendandprotect]

64. Agree -- k/r

[democrank]

69. K & R