"Baseless" Way to go Rachel!

[jillan]

That was a perfect heading for her discussion on the tax cuts for the millionaires.

[Hello_Kitty]

1. She is kicking ass!

Thank you, Rachel, for pointing out that the GOP is just as scared of cutting the child tax credit as Dems are.

[jillan]

2. Love the double meaning in that - she isn't missing a beat!

[asdjrocky]

3. She has a way of breaking it down.

Kieth will get you angry, Rachel gets you understanding.

[JamesA1102]

4. I wonder if Rachel cares more about really helping people or

winning a political fight. Does she even know any unemployed people? If she is so outraged at getting a tax cut, I can give her the names & addresses of people who could use that money so she can send them a check.

[Hello_Kitty]

7. Way to miss her point, James. eom

[JamesA1102]

13. Her point seems that she rather win a political fight

than help real people who are hurting in this economy.

[Hello_Kitty]

15. No, her point is that it was a false choice to begin with. eom

[JamesA1102]

17. It wasn't a false choice.

She is not dealing with reality. O'Donnell's show at 10 PM showed that.

[Hello_Kitty]

20. No it didn't.

Rachel rightly noted that the supposed GOP 'concessions' for middle class tax cuts were for things that they favor and were worried about losing, i.e. the Child Tax Credit. Why was Obama so willing to cave on Republican demands when all we got in return was stuff they wanted to maintain anyway?

[JamesA1102]

25. You think they wanted to maintain the unemployment extention or

the earned income tax credit? The problem was that they were willing to let the child tax credit and the Bush tax cut on the middle class expire and wait for the GOP to take control of the House in January. Maddow seemed ignorrant of that fact.

[Hello_Kitty]

27. They have plenty of unemployed people, and parents, in their own districts.

Furthermore, the EITC is a Republican idea. It's a subsidy to low wage employers. They like tuition tax credits too.

[JamesA1102]

28. Yeah there are and they're Democrats so the GOP doesn't care

about them.

[Hello_Kitty]

29. Sure, that's why preserving the Child Tax Credit is a plank in their Pledge To America

And the EITC benefits them, because it transfers wealth from taxpayers to the plutocrats.

They lost nothing from this deal. It's why they're celebrating.

[JamesA1102]

32. So because they are for it

We should be against it? Forget that it helps people. Nice logic. And they say conservatives are cold hearted.

[leeroysphitz]

9. You sound just like my Father-In-Law. n/t

[JamesA1102]

14. must be a wise man nt

[leeroysphitz]

16. He's a racist, Fox news watching, Limbaugh loving tea bagger. n/t

[JamesA1102]

19. So are you calling me a racist too?

What exactly did I say to make you draw that conclusion?

[leeroysphitz]

33. No. I was saying that your commentresembled a comment he might make.

You said he sounded wise and I wanted to point that I didn't think he was wise and why I thought that. I wasn't attempting to make any inferences beyond that.

[JamesA1102]

35. Sounded like you were.

[leeroysphitz]

36. Well obviously, based on your original comment, I was lumping you in with my F-I-L but

I wasn't specifically calling you a racist.

[JamesA1102]

39. But is is interesting that is the first place you went. nt

[Dappleganger]

21. I think you're making incorrect assumptions about a person

you don't know, and it has little to nothing to do with the arguments she is making against the proposed "compromise."

[JamesA1102]

23. Well since she hardly mentioned the unemployment extention

my guess is she doesn't know any unemployed people who need it.

[Dappleganger]

24. Your guess?

She lives in NYC, there are unemployed people EVERYWHERE.

[JamesA1102]

26. That doesn't mean she knows any. nt

[Dappleganger]

34. You are so off base

you're not even trying. You don't even know the woman or her background, yet you are "ASSuming" you think she doesn't know or is even friends with any unemployed people.

Here's a challenge to you: write her and ask, then report back here what she says. I dare you to.

[JamesA1102]

41. Anyone who has working class friends that are suffering right now

wouldn't be as callous as she was, ready to bargain away their benefits and money to win a political victory.

[JamesA1102]

44. BTW Send me her address and I will write her.

[emcguffie]

40. I"m on disability and my husband is unemployed.

We are not making it in any way, shape or form. We don't have enough money to eat, and unless something changes, we will end up on the street eventually.

I am against this tax deal. Saving a few dollars for middle class taxpayers -- those who are still employed, by the way -- does not in my book match up to the crime of giving all that money back to the richest folks in the country and increasing the debt/deficit out the wazoo. I don't have as good a grasp of all the details that many folks here do have, but it is just wrong.

And I am so tired of watching us give in and give in and give in. If Republicans can get their way when they're in the minority, as they have often done, why can't we get our way when we're in the majority?

Something stinks. Just my opinion. All the same, it is a hungry opinion.

[JamesA1102]

43. So you're saying that other people's children should go hungry

to stand up for your principles. If you don't want your tax cut, I know several working families that you can send the money to.

[BeyondGeography]

5. She's demolishing the notion that this is a good deal

The tax credits Obama cited today as significant Republican concessions were either things they favored already (the child tax credit) or items that were put into the stimulus package to attract their support in the first place (EITC and tuition tax credits).

[myrna minx]

6. I was informed here today that we liberals aren't the base.

:eyes: I guess the 'base' is the squishy middle who can capriciously vote for either party. War is Peace and all of that.

[bluestate10]

10. I am a moderate democrat that would NEVER vote for a republican.

I tried voting for a republican once soon after I turned 18. One of the biggest mistakes I have made in a life of mostly good choices. But I am a moderate. It bothers me that Obama is savaged on the DU while a questionable character like Julian Assange is lionized. Where has a sense of perspective gone? Don't get me wrong, I would like to see Obama show some spine, other than that he displays in abundance when lecturing democrats for being disappointed in his constant backing up. I don't have a dog in the fight on tax cuts, I could care less one way or another. What I do have an interest in is our President standing up and being clear that when faced with literal blackmail, he will go back on a campaign promise backing away from the campaign promise if the only sane choice.

[Dappleganger]

22. I appreciate what you said

although we don't share the same viewpoint, it does seem as if you're trying to look at it from all sides. What bothers me most is that the republicans have given in to the unemployment extensions on multiple occasions and it doesn't even seem as if he *tried* to get what they wanted. From what was reported tonight on Rachel, Keith and Lawrence O'Donnel's shows is that there was essentially a deal made with the president and the republicans, but not the democratic politicians present. I don't agree with that kind of deal-making and think that the ones who are angry are justified in wanting to stop the bill. I pretty much feel like the day TARP was passed to bail the banks. Completely demoralized.

[Bandit]

38. One of the most Basic Core Principles of the Democratic Party

is Progressive Taxation.. You say you are a Democrat yet have no dog in the fight..Something seems amiss to me.. :shrug:

[jillan]

11. That person who told you that could very well be right.... I don't think the President considers us

to be his base either.

[Raine]

8. GREAT explanation of the "compromise!

YYYYAAAAHHHHHH Rachel! :applause: :yourock:

[bullwinkle428]

12. First you win. Then they fight you. Then they laugh at you. Then they ignore you.

Rachel, I think you've given me serious consideration for a new sig-line!

[Dinger]

18. That's Exactly Correct (nt)

[kiranon]

30. Rachel has it right. Obama is giving away the store for almost nothing in return.

This is the most incredibly inept negotiation by an administration and give away that I have seen in all my days. Obama should have let the tax cuts expire or used the threat of it to get not just a better deal but to get a deal period. He got nothing. The debt will be greatly increased with very little stimulus to the economy. Where are the tea partiers who ranted and raved against more debt creation? I do not understand this deal and why Obama thinks he got a good deal. It looks like an incredible giveaway to me and a total loss for the Democrats if they go along with it.

[deaniac21]

37. His vast experience in governing from the executive is really

showing.

[donheld]

31. Rachel was rockin'

[laughingliberal]

42. K & R nt