All I know is if I was depending on Unemployment Benefits right now I would be damn relieved

[NNN0LHI]

I wouldn't care what President Obama had to do to get that 13-month extension if I had a family to feed.

This is coming from someone who has had his UC benefits run out while trying to support a family. Went over a year without UC benefits once. It was not a fun experience. I wouldn't wish the same on anyone.

Don

[The Straight Story]

1. I would be too. But I would still be pissed.

I can feel more than one thing at a time :)

[NNN0LHI]

2. Still pissed at who though?

[The Straight Story]

6. Pissed at how it was done - and why a majority dem congress could not

treat the issue separate. Why they didn't pass legislation much earlier and waited until after things expired. You note that they did not wait until AFTER the tax cuts for the rich expired, they got it done ahead of time for them.

When pubs were in power they didn't worry much about the dems throwing road blocks up, they pushed ahead their agenda and fought for it.

Dems and Obama? At least freaking fight and introduce measures, have a real battle and not a pretend one 'well, they would just filibuster this or do that' well, make em do it.

The unemployed got used. The tax issue should have been an entirely separate debate. Blame the right? sure I do, but I also blame the left for not doing more sooner, for caving, and letting fights that never took place except in their own mind rule what they do.

[BrklynLiberal]

10. +1000

[NNN0LHI]

11. You'd be getting right down to the nitty gritty of all those details with a couple of hungry kids?

For some reason I doubt that.

Not calling you a liar. Just saying I doubt that. A lot.

Don

[BrklynLiberal]

21. As long as you are not among the 40% of unemployed who are in the "99ers" group, you are fine.

Otherwise...you are still screwed.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. +1

"You note that they did not wait until AFTER the tax cuts for the rich expired, they got it done ahead of time for them."

[Egnever]

50. The unemployed got used?

Maybe but if so it was by the pukes not the Dem's. The pukes refused to extend the benefits not the Dem's. Obama is holding the tax cuts for the rich hostage to restore those benefits.

You folks are letting yourselves be manipulated so badly you cant even see what happens anymore.

Sad

[dennis4868]

3. Exactly....

My neighbor is smiling for the first time in 2 months....he literally had to send his kids to other family members because he could not afford to feed them....now Obama has given him life again...easy for liberals with any kind of job and don't have a real need for UI to go off on Obama....I want my president fighting for these people....makes me proud to be sn American this morning. Now we need to find help for the 99ers.

[WhiteTara]

4. the rich get 300 billion for 2 years and the unemployed

get about $113 a week for 13 months. There! Equitable? :rofl:

[seabeyond]

8. you laugh? surely not. those people that will feed their family probably dont get your humor. nt

[WhiteTara]

33. gallows humor, my friend

:rofl: outside :cry: inside

[seabeyond]

35. if that were the case, you would understand that the lower income people are being helped

by obamas choice here, over the rich. as much as you may snark at what the poor get compared to the rich, the poor are coming out ahead.

you may not like obama caving. but in that case you have to own up to a willingness to allow UI and middle class tax expires hurting people.

i am at least willing to say, because i am not being hurt, easy for me to say, call them on the bluff. knowing that i am being selfish and less than progressive, but want to win the battle.

[WhiteTara]

38. who are you to say

I'm not being hurt? What makes you think that I have ANY money? Just because I don't discuss my pitiful finances on the DU board, doesn't mean I'm not being directly effected. And is this "winning the battle"? Somehow it may be a small win, it is a loss for the war. The Making Work Pay didn't make into the compromise. That is really going to effect me. That $400. was to be my house insurance. Yes, I have managed to remain in my chosen home, but it looks like I'm going to lose the interest deduction along with having my SS cut.

And I don't think the lower income people are being helped by this. To me this analogous of taking food out of the left hand to feed the right hand of the same body. Nourishment now, but not later. Die quickly, as Alan Grayson would say.

[seabeyond]

39. interesting. thanks.

i feel the same way, but since i am not feeling the repercussions of doing without, i feel i dont have a place to say

suck it up for the future greater good.

[WhiteTara]

40. my take? Fight it out for the future good

as we are still trying to form a more perfect union.

[BrklynLiberal]

5. You do know that this extension does NOT apply to those out of work over 99 weeks???

The "99ers" are still shit out of luck. That is 40% of the unemployed.

and if you ever plan on collecting Social Security..better change those plans...reducing the payroll deduction is step one to cutting SS.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

13. I've read several people here use the so called 99ers to justify this bullshit. Which is it?

Are they or aren't being included in this extension?

[BrklynLiberal]

15. They are NOT

http://radioviceonline.com/unemployment-extension-confused-good-reason-to-be-99ers/

Just to be clear, the “extension of the unemployment benefits” is an extension of the qualifying dates for the various tiers of benefits, and not additional weeks of benefits. There is no additional help for the so-called “99ers”.

Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC) comes in four tiers:
Tier I is for 20 additional weeks;
Tier II is for up to 14 weeks;
Tier III is for up to 13 weeks;
Tier IV is for up to 6 weeks.

As an example, if a worker was receiving Tier I benefits, they will be able to move to Tier II benefits with this proposed extension. Without the extension of the qualifying dates, workers would not be able to move to the next tier.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
One more example of how the repuke messaging is so superior. The confusion about the "99ers" is far from accidental..and the Dems are not doing a good job of clearing it up.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

31. It seems some are actually helping to confuse matters. So not entirely accidental. nt

[Starry Messenger]

34. Thank you.

Excellent work, keep hammering it home. My sister-in-law is a 99er and she is totally screwed.

[RockaFowler]

7. I'm a little happy right now

My husband was going to lose this benefit next week. Look I hate the way Repukes hold people's lives hostage. I guess they don't deny it either because no-one denied it when President Obama mentioned it in his Press Conference yesterday. I will go back to my letter to my Repuke Congressman - all they care about are the people who make over $250,000. To hell with those of us who make less than that. I applaud the President for at least looking out for us "little guys" for once.

[RandomThoughts]

9. I understand that concept.

And don't disagree with that based on concept of presumptions of future, since the argument is that presumed futures show that trends of consolidations show more problems.

If you believe that unemployment is worth giving up control to a few, you can argue that you are doing the most you can to help within some limitation.

I think there is no limitation, and both should be able to be done, most of the entire question is based on projected thoughts of future events.


Are you doing good by giving power to a few to help many in the short term. There is an argument that it will not help the few, so you give up anything to do any good, knowing the few that want more will fail in the long run.

It is an interesting paradigm and is completely about presumed future events. Will not giving that extension and breaking bad power do more good in the long run, or is any good at any cost better. I think on both, and know it is about projected future events, so understand the concept.

Also why neither is wrong, since both can be done with better intents.



So that means the answer is education where better effects can be known by more people so they wont just do with good intents that lead to long term worse effects.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Women In Concentration Camps Slept With NAZI Guards To Live Other Day

People will do what they need to do to survive.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. Not a very appropropriate comparision....sorry

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. For Some

For some the only thing that stands between them and homelessness, starvation, and possible freezing to death is a UI check.

I know more than one woman who has turned a trick to feed her kids because the old man is nowhere to be found. I'm not judging her anymore than I would judge the person who ate the scraps off the rich man's table to stay alive.

And sadly that's what lots of folks who find themselves without any kind of support will end up doing.

I would...

[MyNameGoesHere]

14. Most people live with the idea

that they can be kept poor and downtrodden by their rich overlords and feel satisfied. You are not alone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. What Was Don Supposed To Do For Income?

.

[MyNameGoesHere]

51. nothing can be done

we are property and we are not allowed to have thoughts, sustenance or happiness. Just consume and move on.

[baldingrockwarlord2]

16. What little you know....

This is no extension. 99'ers get nothing from this deal. the "13 month extension" does not extend anyones benefits beyond the already existing 99 weeks total that can be claimed. It merely extends the program that allows up to 99 weeks. This is extremely important to get this message out. There are over 4 million of us who have been forgotten or thrown under the bus-AT CHRISTMAS TIME! The President I donated to, supported and voted for has turned his back on me. Actually 4 million of me. No, if you count spouses and kids its more than 4 million. This is no extension.

The president just gift wrapped and tossed a nice bow on tax cuts for the rich and placed it under the tree for folks who don't NEED the relief, they just want it. And the "deal" he made didn't include or help those who need it most- the ones whose unemployment benefits have run out. This wouldn't be so bad if there were jobs to be found and had, but there are no fricking jobs.

This is not an extension-It's a giant slap in the face and middle finger to any 99'er who voted-like i did-for this president.

This is a major game changer. He is tossing 99'ers into the streets and tent cities. Thank you Mr. President. For nothing.

[BrklynLiberal]

19. +1000 see below

http://radioviceonline.com/unemployment-extension-confused-good-reason-to-be-99ers/

Just to be clear, the “extension of the unemployment benefits” is an extension of the qualifying dates for the various tiers of benefits, and not additional weeks of benefits. There is no additional help for the so-called “99ers”.

Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC) comes in four tiers:
Tier I is for 20 additional weeks;
Tier II is for up to 14 weeks;
Tier III is for up to 13 weeks;
Tier IV is for up to 6 weeks.

As an example, if a worker was receiving Tier I benefits, they will be able to move to Tier II benefits with this proposed extension. Without the extension of the qualifying dates, workers would not be able to move to the next tier.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. I am happy and relieved for those that will receive benefits, but

I am furious that this issue hadto be the centerpiece of a giveaway to the rich program tied to necks of the unemployed and whether they receive benefits or not.

These goddamned rotten republicans/conservatives balked and stalled for two whole years, and now suddenly if their rich minions don't get their way the truly needy in America will have to go without.

I really do understand your relief for those needing the extension, but he whole process stinks to high heaven, thanks to the GOP.

[DenverDad]

22. It's a travesty

that a UC benefits extension had to be used as a negotiating plea in the first place. If all in Congress were working in the best interest of the country, it never would have come to a "compromise".

I am relieved that the unemployed received more help.

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. +1

[ddeclue]

24. Don't grovel. Obama shouldn't either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I'd Grovel Before Starving

It beats eating the caracases of your dead friends like those survivors up in the Andes Mountains did when faced with starving.

Starving like an impending execution has a way of focusing the mind...

[WhiteTara]

41. I think we'll be more like Argentina

who roamed the country side looking for stray animals (or maybe some lucky farmer's who still had a cow) and killing them. Group kills and group feeds.

[NNN0LHI]

32. Talk is cheap

Isn't it?

Don

[TheKentuckian]

26. I'm certain but the broader prognoses just got a lot worse.

We are damn near drinking our own urine to stay alive, don't won't hold up very long and eventually there may be a high price to pay.

Get real and look at the bigger picture, these toxic tax cuts are part of the puzzle of how we got here and those benefits are needed.

We have also openly declared that we pay kidnappers and negotiate with terrorists, from here we'll just be surrendering to keep the life support plugged in a little longer as shit falls down on our ears.

[SidDithers]

28. K&R...

Exactly right, Don.

Sid

[Still a Democrat]

29. Some would rather fight to satisfy their anger

and let some folks lose their one meager source of income.

[MadHound]

36. Again, let me state this clearly, the UI extension did not, and does not, have to be on the table

Obama can pay for the UI extension out of left over stimulus funds. In fact that was what McConnell was wanting Obama to do last summer, the last time this came up. Well, we could take that gun away from our heads and bonus, Obama could even call it being bipartisan.

The fact of the matter is that Obama simply doesn't have the cojones for this fight, or any other fight. He is willing to sacrifice this country, we the people, on the altar of "bipartisanship" so that he doesn't have to fight.

And the sad thing is, by taking away the UI gun, it would make this issue about tax cuts for the rich, and only about those tax cuts for the rich. And guess what, over eighty percent of the population doesn't want those tax cuts for the rich. So Obama would have massive backing if he would just stand up and fight.

[Laelth]

37. You wouldn't be relieved if you were a 99'er. They got no help. n/t

-Laelth

[Toucano]

42. Yeah! All cheer for the poison pill because it's wrapped around a cookie.

It's still a poison pill.

Myopia, thy name is NNN0LHI.

[MisterP]

43. so of course that's how they'll pass every and any vile law?

Indefinite Detention Act of 2011? "I would be damn relieved" to be one of the 1.5M unemployed who get benefits extended 3 months
Mandatory Rape Act of 2012? "I would be damn relieved" to be one of the 30,000 unemployed who get extended 1 month
Quick Population Boom Solution and Effective Cannibalism Act of 2014? "I would be damn relieved" to be one of the 50 unemployed who get extended 12 minutes, and an extra year on their lives before the Joy Patrol sends them to work the secret mines just under the slaughterhouse

it can make ANYTHING applauded by a certain segment of the population and of the Dems (as long as a Dem's doing it, of course)

[slackmaster]

44. I've been in that situation before, in 1982-1983

It was certainly a relief, but I made more money doing odd construction jobs under the table than I ever got from UI payments.

[NNN0LHI]

48. Oh, I worked what would be considered "odd jobs" during periods of layoffs

Never made as much as I got from unemployment though. One seasonal job was wearing what looked like a WW II era back sprayer to spray Agent Orange on trees and brush beneath high voltage electrical lines. They didn't call it Agent Orange but it was. I used to come home soaked in the stuff.

Don

[slackmaster]

49. I worked mostly on residential remodeling and renovation projects in a wealthy suburb

I dug a lot of holes, and tore out a lot of kitchens and bathrooms.

[frylock]

45. the republicans always come around and approve extensions for UI benes..

ALWAYS. obama failed, miserably, to call their bluff.

[BlueCheese]

46. Let me ask a different question...

What wouldn't you allow the Republicans to pass in order to extend unemployment benefits?

For example, would it have been okay to allow a permanent extension of the tax cuts?

[Bluebear]

47. Obama/GOP plan does not help people whose UC has "run out".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9721132