I have come to the conclusion that the only way to get Congress to do anything

[hobbit709]

Is to chain them to their seats without food, water, or access by lobbyists until they accomplish something.

[valerief]

1. But they've got the military and mercenaries protecting them. nt

[Angry Dragon]

2. I wonder how long the real soldiers want to keep fighting

[galileoreloaded]

7. A long, long time. No jobs when you get out :(

[valerief]

10. There's always a new generation to hoodwink with macho propaganda. nt

[hobbit709]

4. Flowers Of The Night-words by JackTraylor

Paine and Pierce and Robespierre, Juarez and Danton,
Luther, King and Lumumba dead but far from gone
Lenin, Cleaver, Jesus too, outlaws in their nations,
Revolutionaries all, dreamed of liberation

God is up in heaven his agents here on earth
The church has said that this man rules, he's best because of birth.
But what's that noise down in the street, who dares to shout and sing?
With all his courtiers at his side, who dares to touch the king?

Old man get some soldiers, keep them close at hand
There's a fire in the country, there's a flame come to the land
Seven thousand loyal troops, in ranks they stretch so far
With seven thousand well armed men, no one can touch the czar.

Louis watch the prisons, send the goons around
Is that Paris burning, is the Bastille falling down?
And where are all the mercenaries - paid for by the king?
Have they joined the mob you say, doesn't money mean anything?

Old men get some soldiers, keep them close at hand,
The seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land
And guard yourself most carefully with military might.
For plants that cannot bloom by day must flower in the night.

[valerief]

11. +1

[RegieRocker]

3. Oh they do many things, a lot of bills being passed one after another

To suit their agenda.

[RKP5637]

5. The youth need to get very active as in the 60's and wake these slacks up. The youth

will be inheriting a very raw deal, not a new deal. We had Viet Nam, the draft, the Beatles and the shaking of the shackles of conservatism (for awhile). Today's youth has unemployment, wars and an emerging oppressive corp. bought gov. Given the current trend line the future does not look bright.

[bobbolink]

8. They'll just blame us and go back to their video games.

[RKP5637]

9. Yep, they're going to keep playing their video games and one day wonder why

they're living in tent cities looking up at those that stole American out from under them. When this country goes off the cliff for most it will be no easy job dragging it back up to any hint of what it once was. And many of them won't have mom and dad anymore to move back in with, and then they'll wonder WTF happened. The ignorance and apathy in this country astounds me.

[valerief]

12. You can thank Big Pharma for that. nt

[bobbolink]

13. I've never played a video game, and I am forced to live in my car, even though I have been

a political activist all my adult life.

So, we need to be careful the assumptions we make. But, yes, so many young people don't have any interest.

On the other hand, I hear the same thing from older people, and I have given information to young people who have lapped it up. In my opinion, we have also dismmissed too many people as "stupid", rather than work to share information.

The point is, we can only change US. That means we have to go beyond recognizing that the media isn't our friend, and find ways of getting information to people. I have talked about this for years, but DUers aren't really that interested in taking action. It is much more satisfying to call people "stupid".

[RKP5637]

15. Very good points! n/t

[walldude]

6. You want something done? Pay Em.

Oh you don't have a job, or unemployment, or spare money to buy a politician? Then you are fucked. Unless you are one of those evil hackers, who happen to be holding an inside straight today.

[rucky]

14. Or take them on a golf outing.