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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:06 PM Original message |
As Greg Sargent points out, what Obama is doing isn't even triangulation. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. When a party has majorities in the House, Senate & Admin anything is achievable |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. When people say that, it shows how lacking our civics education is in this country. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. What are you talking about? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. My point is that anyone who thinks that having a President and majorities means that "anything is |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. LOL n/t |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Reconciliation works only once a year... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. "Insisting" does not actually mean "passing." The ability to "insist" is FAR greater than the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I 'insist' that you tell us what would help the 'ability' to 'pass' a bill |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Perhaps having 60 Senators that support the bill in question? n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. When people say that, it shows how lacking our civics education is in this country |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. 60 is as much of a "myth" as global warming. n/t |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. why not 100? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Because you don't need 100? n/t |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. very insightful.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If you ask another question, I'd be happy to. n/t |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. will do! |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Wow well said! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's frustrated? SO AM I. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. "He destroyed them for the rest of their lives." Perhaps you think that, but even the vast majority |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Then they aren't facing what's happened. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Or perhaps you are the one that isn't understanding what's happened. n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Nah. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. The thing that is left out of most discussions is the 2% reduction in SS |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Um, no. The trust fund is fully reimbursed by the general fun for the full amount of the tax cut. nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I noticed you posted in this thread |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. They extended the temporary tax cuts because the economy isn't growing. That won't be the case |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Where is this economy going to grow?? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Nearly all economists forcast much higher growth (and somewhat lower unemployment) in 2011 and 2012. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Any links so I can read the forecasts?? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You don't need links.. it's every economist.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Here is one example |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Thank you |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. LOL! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The forecasts I'm talking about are for the entire economy, not for one particular industry. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. IOW, you got nuthin'. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Hopefully you'll forgive me if I believe actual economists more than uninformed internet posters. nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. LOL! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yep. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. JOBS JOBS JOBS |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Agreed. Or there will be additional defunding passed in 2012 or perhaps even sooner, and in 2013 |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. OMG. |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. Bullshit. Cutting social security taxes |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Except as a stimulous right? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. How is it a stimulus? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It is a stimulus by definition. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. So is a vibrator. But does it grow the economy? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. oops |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It's an economic stimulus by definition. n/t |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
37. I think he nails it |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 05:00 AM Response to Original message |
50. Keyword: achievable. Great article. Thanks for posting. |
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