Ladies and Gentlemen... PAYPAL IS DOWN!

[Kalyke]

Paypal

But, is back up... and then down... and then up... depending on when you click.

Wow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Wow... it is really on

[robinlynne]

4. It is soo cool. like people actually having a voice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I would not go that far YET

this is more like a riot... for the moment. Time will tell. And as a historian this story will be hard to follow if this pans out to be the first event in the revolution, as it were.

Perhaps been readying too much into actual riots and all that.

[robinlynne]

11. oh I dont think a revolution is coming. But this moment feels so right. LIke finally

somebody slaps them in the face even if only for a minute.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Absolutely, and if this is a riot

at least I don't have to order my rigs to stay out of the zone...

The last time I was near one I gave one order and the rig that violated that order got a windshield broken.

In cyber terms there are a lot of windshields broken right at the moment

[robinlynne]

25. I dont understand what you are saying Nadin . what is a rig? truck?

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Ambulance

one night I was about to go home EARLY when literally power went off in half the city.

So instead of going home over the radio, police radio, we got reports of a riot forming. This was about a year after the LA Riots... and as the Company Commander I took my hand held, took command of all EMS units in the city, Red Cross or no RED CROSS, and ordered all units to switch to tactical. Then I gave an order, no ambulance was to enter the zone without police escort.

One of the volunteers from another group disobeyed the order... when they limped back to OUR station, their windshield was all cracked and their ambulance was dinged all over. On the bright side, nobody got hurt. Yes, when I got the report that cops had to go retrieve them, we thought we'd be getting two injured medics. Silly wabbits, they thought angry people would not stone their ambulance.

Oh the riot lasted all the way to ten in the morning... and that was our only casualty.

Police Chief asked me where I got that bright idea? I told him, LA RIOTS and CNN coverage.

[robinlynne]

31. oooohhhh. got it.

[robinlynne]

2. I heart wikileaks and whomever is speaking up for wikileaks!

[EFerrari]

3. You don't walk on Superman's cape.

lol

[Kalyke]

9. Can the people tug on it and spit into the wind?

Heh!

[hlthe2b]

19. Ohh, Jim Croce....

sigh.... we lost so many good ones....

[doc03]

5. Just purchased something with PayPal a couple hours ago n/t

[Kalyke]

7. Appears to be solid again.

I got this notification an hour ago and was busy... and it was still bumpy when I tried, but the DOS seems to be OK, now.

As I've said, I work in IT security, so the person I got it from was monitoring it for a white hat reason.

[NavyDem]

8. Working for me.

It's up and working solid for me.

[Kalyke]

14. Agreed... it was an hour ago. My bad.

And lasted not long.

Still, any disruption in PayPal - even for a few minutes to an hour - is just... :wow:

[AlabamaLibrul]

10. What they're doing is almost the easiest, laziest thing you can do

but they're doing something.

I think that this will be "aggressively investigated", and it probably gives anti-Net Neutrality people more ammunition (These cyber-anarchists are attacking America's most prestigious financial corporations - the credit cards that charge 25% when the bank that owns it will give you a tenth of 1% in a savings account, our best donors, our FRIENDS! - from mother's basement).

Then, people might remember what it feels like to take to the streets. Not even over Assange necessarily (although it'll happen) but just to do something again.

[madmax]

46. Net neutrality

I feel like I'm back in 2000 again. Before DU it was one of the best places to find out what was happening in the US regarding the contested (s)election of w bush.

Now I'm back to the Gaurdian reading the latest about JA and wikkileaks.

This has made me pay attention to what net neutrality is about and what it means. It's clear to me now that it's a BFD.

[OneGrassRoot]

64. This whole thing is potentially a huge deal, imho.

When people get a taste that they can influence SOMETHING, it is a door.

Net campaigns can be a gateway to true citizen engagement these days.

I think that's AWESOME! :bounce:

:hi:

:hug:

[HEyHEY]

12. he he he

rad

[Metric System]

13. Aren't there small businesses that depend on Paypal? I'm thinking Ebay sellers, etc.

[HEyHEY]

16. They'll sruvive, they are just making a point

[DFab420]

52. Yea fuck the small businesses while we make a political point ya!! argh!!

Really?

When did the express train from tea town show up?

[Quantess]

68. Personally, I wish more ebay sellers and other small time vendors

would accept methods of payment other than PayPal. I miss the days of mailing a money order snail mail for purchases, as I am one of those stubborn people who doesn't like credit cards nor paypal.

PayPal is Meg Whitman's baby.

[AlabamaLibrul]

72. Sellers aren't allowed to ask for a non-electronic payment

so that pretty much means Paypal only. You can ask the seller if you can use a money order, but they'll probably be paranoid and tell you no.

[Quantess]

73. One of the reasons I stopped selling on ebay.

I prefer receiving money orders. I even allowed buyers to mail small amounts of bills ($2 to $10). Ah, the good old days! Small-timers like me have no business on ebay anymore. Now it's mostly drop-shipments straight from China.

[HEyHEY]

75. Uh, Really... like a couple hours of a site being down is gonna hurt them

I guess to you it's fuck the public and let corporations persecute a citizen so that some small businesses don't have to wait a couple hours to process payments?

[rsmith6621]

15. WORKS FOR ME

[ProfessionalLeftist]

17. Yep. Down from where I am. n/t

[Kalyke]

21. Like I said - it looks up and down and up and down.

They won't be able to do it because PayPal is a 'net invention,' unlike the CC companies; however, that they got it to go down for a minute here and minute there is remarkable.

[slay]

18. Down for me right now

and not just me - down for everyone! (i love that site downforeveryoneorjustme) :)

[Kalyke]

23. I do, too. It's a call for action site.

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. You will have a long night I guess

ah the games are perhaps afoot.

[Initech]

24. And it all comes back to Fight Club.

"We cook your meals. We connect your calls. We guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us!"

[Kalyke]

26. WOW!

I never saw that movie because I think pure violence is... well... "beneath my human pay grade (:rofl: ), but I think Ed Norton is an awesome actor who STOLE "Presumed Innocent" AWAY from Richard Gere.

I digress, I really wish people thought this way. I really wish they realized that they have the power and went beyond jacking off in the pizza or wiping a shitty hand on the hors'd'oeveres.

[bigmonkey]

37. Fight Club gets an exception from me.

I really don't like violent films very much, but that thing. Even my girlfriend thought it was really a "spiritual movie". It's disturbing, but in a "wake up!" kind of way.

[FrancisTreptoe]

42. Its violent in an "Anarchist" sort of way

[Kalyke]

74. Yeah, well, I didn't need to "wake up." I was already there.

But if it helps others, then "bravo" to it.

[Lucian]

45. +1

[rocktivity]

27. Is wikileaks mad at youtube?

Because they seem to be down, too.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[EFerrari]

28. That's probably just you.

:)

[OneGrassRoot]

63. lol ;) n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

It is still on, for the record on the west coast

yes that could matter depending on distrution zones. In very non technical terms if routers, that the thingy that tells your data where to go... are down, well down range from you in between you and You Tube and the data cannot find other ways... it might be down for you.

[Jim Warren]

30. DOA

as a door nail, East Coast, 1:00 AM EST.

[gateley]

34. I just got right on, and I gotta admit, I'm a bit disappointed.

:evilgrin:

Nothing against PayPal, really, just lovin' the people fighting back over an injustice! 2010 style! :headbang:

[tcaudilllg]

57. Nothing against paypal even though they attacked freedom?

[Turborama]

32. "It's not just you! http://paypal.com looks down from here."

Wow, indeed.

[aquart]

36. That was odd. That address opens Google.

[Matariki]

38. paypal.com is down. www.paypal.com is not.

[SweetieD]

53. +1 for me too

[EFerrari]

33. LOL

"There are Some Things Money Can't Buy. For Everything Else, there's HTTP Error 408 Request Timeout" #payback #wikileaks #priceless

[sabrina 1]

35. It really is a movement. Free Press. It's worth fighting for

and we in the U.S. have failed miserably to do anything about the takeover of our own press. We could not even get a boycott going.

Wikileaks is awesome. These people are fearless. They are not just being threatened by the U.S. but have made enemies in other countries like Kenya, Iran, Somalia by exposing the bad guys there also. I admire their courage.

I think they will unite people around the world who for too long have been victims of corrupt governments and it's just possible that an era of real change is about to begin. It has to, things cannot go on as they are. As always, the powerful become too greedy, too oppressive, never satisfied with what they've taken, they always want more. And then it reaches a tipping point for their victims. And this may be it. I hope so.

[madmax]

48. Thank you for expressing exactly how I feel.

:toast:

[Catherina]

39. Wait until the Chinese hackers get in on the act. People of the world...

The Administration couldn't have mishandled this any worse if they'd sat on their hands and thought about it for two weeks.

[EFerrari]

40. The conversation at Twitter is in a lot of different languages.

:)

[Catherina]

47. I love it. Solidarity! n/t

[madmax]

49. Could this be the revolution that will not be televised?

Imagine...

[Catherina]

54. I think it is. The genie is out of the bottle now.

I can't believe we're witnessing this so close up. When you combine the injustice to Assange for outing international corruption with the rising tide of Socialism in the West, the anger about the wars, the anger about world economics, I think they severely miscalculated.

They're probably getting briefings right now and asking lame technical questions. They are in over their heads.

Yes indeed they are.

I am imagining and smiling as I do. Welcome to the first cyber war. The heat is being turned on the Julian's persecutors.

Thank you Julian, the truth will always win.

[madmax]

55. It's fascinating - the time is ripe.

I wish Annoymous, wikkileaks and Julian Assange the best. Shine the light make the roaches scramble.

If Rush, Hannity and the rest of the scum in the corporate media of bullshit, lies, and distortions can enjoy free speech then so can these men/women. I believe they're doing this for the greater good. Unlike the others, and they aren't corporate whores - they have proof.

The way this is being leaked is awesome. Allows time to read, research, reflect.

Free Julian Assange

[Catherina]

56. I like the way they're doing it too. No information overload

Plenty of time to read it and digest like you said.

Plenty of time to cut up your Visa and Mastercard and refuse to purchase anything Ebay or Amazon. Plenty of time to close your Facebook account and boycott all the organizations that are helping to persecute him. Plenty of time to take the money for last minute Christmas gifts and send it to Julian's defense.

Plenty of time for an awakening international solidarity movement to wage a full scale war.

Free Julian Assange

[madmax]

58. Did the scissor act on PayPal, MC, and

the brand new (last week) Amazon card which allowed me 30 bucks off my first purchase w/o a yearly fee this a.m. Thanks Amazon, now fuck off. I feel great.

Solidarity - Free Julian Assange

[Catherina]

60. Liberating isn't it to break those chains?

Goodnight madmax. It's almost 4am and I have to be up at 7! :hi:

[Petrushka]

62. "...Facebook...helping to persecute him."? How so ? There's a WikiLeaks' page at Facebook --->

http://www.facebook.com/wikileaks#!/wikileaks?v=wall

[madmax]

41. :-) nt

[cowcommander]

43. Not too happy about this, I sell stuff on eBay...

Paypal sucks for many reasons, but it's also a great way to earn money.

[slay]

59. Don't worry

the https: version of www paypal . com never went down AFAIK. they are actively trying right now though - you can monitor their progress in real time on their irc channel - it's nothing to really worry about i don't think. i just find the whole thing fascinating from a sociological point of view. power needs to be challenged from time to time and this bullshit railroading of Assange as an attempt to go after wikileaks is just wrong - held without bail because a CONDOM MIGHT HAVE BROKEN? give me a fuckin break. The Daily Show did a great segment tonight about it.

[xiamiam]

70. i sell on ebay also...but happy about this even if its personally uncomfortable

for a minute..i dont get that they are trying to unravel the system..just show that they can

[Lucian]

44. Down right now when I just checked.

I hope this continues for weeks. :)

[madmax]

50. Months

:bounce:

No blood shed, no tear gas, no 'free speech zones.'

And wikkileaks letting all the cats out of the bag, one at a time.

[SweetieD]

51. wow they are really going for it.

I know these are just ddos attacks. But I'm sure there are many hackers who could do much worse. I'm also sure Assange probably knows some of the best.

[ecstatic]

61. Is that supposed to be a good thing?

Seriously, grow up folks.

[Fumesucker]

65. Really...

We should all just recognize and accept that we are but tiny cogs in a vast machine..

The Powers That Be only want what is best for us peons and know what we really need far better than we do ourselves.

:eyes:

[ecstatic]

69. No, we don't have to do that... but two wrongs don't

make a right. Especially when the second person wronged has nothing to do with the first person being wronged.

[Kalyke]

76. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche

[Quantess]

71. Yes.

I'm already 40.

[TNLib]

66. and it's xmas season

This isn't good for paypal.

[ipaint]

67. mass digital sit-ins.

Be a constant inconvenience to corporations who think it is their right to censor the internet. Exploit their weakness- their egos.

[Odin2005]

77. SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN!!!

[Incitatus]

78. No it's not

Nice trick, though.