Some unemployed jobseekers trying to double dip

[The Straight Story]

Some unemployed jobseekers trying to double dip

DENVER - He's got jobs to fill, yet one local employer says many applicants will only take the work if the pay is in cash. That cash, he says, would be paid under the table so the worker can continue to collect unemployment benefits.

A few local industrial companies are starting to see more potential employees trying to cheat the system.

Ed Sleeman, owner of Colorado Drywall Supply, posted two new jobs eight months ago.

Dozens of applications later, Sleeman still can't find two qualified truck drivers willing to load and unload building supplies, despite Colorado's 8.4 percent unemployment rate.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=168698&catid=339

[Hannah Bell]

1. "trying to cheat the system" -- wonder where they got that idea. rot starts at the top.

[Obamanaut]

4. The (possible) source of the idea is not a justification. nt

[Hannah Bell]

8. tough titty. can't expect the peons to behave well when the whole fucking Establishment is stealing

the silver and bedsheets.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Well, that says everything I need to know about your apparent lack of morals. (nt)

[Hannah Bell]

14. lol. nothing to do with "morals". morals are for societies with a social contract.

the law of the jungle rules where there is none, & you can blame the rulers for creating that.

when the rulers are corrupt, the people will be too. in self-defense.

[hobbit709]

18. Exactly. Look at what happened in areas of famine.

The only rule is to survive and you do what you have to at that point.

My mother tells me about what it was like in the last winter of the war in Vienna. The basic food allotment was 2 kilos of potatoes a week and you were lucky to get half that. There was no coal for heating or cooking so you crawled into bombed out buildings for scraps of lumber to burn. You scrounged, hustled or did whatever you had to to survive.

[Nye Bevan]

21. So because Madoff stole billions, it's OK for you and me to steal whatever we can from taxpayers.

:eyes:

[hobbit709]

22. Is stealing because you have mouths to feed the moral equivalent

of stealing so that yo can live the lifestyle of the rich and famous?

[Hannah Bell]

47. nothing to do with whether "it's ok" per some official or private morality.

it *will be*

because the rulers are creating those conditions.

[Horse with no Name]

32. Exactly.

Still some won't understand that.

[cali]

35. because they could never think of such a thing themselves.

[Hannah Bell]

48. they could certainly think of it. but in a society perceived as mostly just, most didn't try to.

[Iggo]

45. Cheating the system IS the system.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I Know You Didn't Intend It To Be But That's A Republican Oriented Criticism Of The System

I doubt there are as many double dippers as they think.

[The Straight Story]

9. I just find it funny that this is actually news

I sure as hell won't blame someone double dipping :)

[coalition_unwilling]

41. It really reminds me of Reagan's anecdotal references to "welfare queens"

in Cadillacs.

[hobbit709]

3. Another variation of "welfare queen"-the unemployed don't WANT to work.

There will always be someone who tries to game the system but the overwhelming majority do not.

Maybe he can't hire anyone because he doesn't want to pay enough.

I've seen that happen before, they want all these qualifications and think that if you're desperate enough, you will work for barely over minimum wage. Something tells me this guy isn't someone I'd want to work for.

[SoCalDem]

6. Or because it's "temp" work

:shrug:

[MichellesBFF]

37. Or because it's part-time with no benefits!

[rurallib]

20. bingo

[lunatica]

5. OMG! Employers are so victimized!

Everything would be just peachy keen if it weren't for those unemployed. Dammitt!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. From The Article "Dozens of applications later,"

:hi:

[Tansy_Gold]

17. "They say" and "I've heard". . . . typical BS

I've heard there are headless drug runners invading southern Arizona but I don't believe it.

The article says $10 and $15 an hour with benefits, but it doesn't say what the rest of the conditions are. How many hours a week? How steady is the work? If it's loading and unloading construction materials, what's the expectation of continued work? What are the conditions?


I call bullshit on this.


TG, TT

[Horse with no Name]

33. Yeah the story stinks

It is probably more like minimum wage, 60 hours a week, no benes.
And the REASON I assume this is because IF there were benefits...people would work just for that.
This guy is probably a republican spinmeister.

[Statistical]

43. No taxpayers are being victimized.

Someone working, requesting to be paid in cash, and continuing to collect unemployment is defrauding the govt and thus taxpayers.

A crooked employer would gladly take that deal. It saves them about 15% when you consider the workmans comp, unemployment insurance, and FICA they aren't paying.

An honest employer and taxpayers are the only ones who suffer.

[ipaint]

10. Two employers and couple people applying.

Wow it's out of control.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Thanks for propagating 'welfare queen' bullshit.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. Well, if the employers would pay a

LIVING WAGE perhaps people would not be trying to "double dip" as the article contends. You're making $600.00 a month on unemployment and you have a chance to make another $300.00 under the table? I say go for it. And if anybody gets their panties in wad, point them in the direction of the Banksters who stole TRILLIONS WITH THIS PRESEDENT'S MOTHER FUCKING BLESSING!

This is a hit piece to target the unemployed and satisfy the conservative agenda. It's the meme they'll use to throw the 99 weekers under the bus.

[Vickers]

15. Unrec for spreading repuke memes. n/t

[quinnox]

16. Unemployment rate went up again so time to blame those lazy

shiftless people! They are making President Obama look bad.

[marshall]

19. It's the American Way

Screw or be screwed.

[TreasonousBastard]

23. I don't know how common this is now, but...

I remember many, many years ago standing on an interminable unemployment line thinking "Shit, I have to get back to work."

It's easier now that you just call it in.

I also remember collecting UE and turning down on the books jobs because it meant I had to show up at a shit job I hated for 40 hours for 50 bucks more a week. I'll take the shit job when the dole runs out.

I haven't collected UE for over 20 years, but these attitudes were fairly common back then, and there was even one employer who worked with you to put you off the books in the slow season so you could collect. Can't say I was proud of it, but you hadda pay the rent.

Republican memes? Yeah, sure-- I doubt much has changed. The difference is that they object to UE in principle, while the truth is that it is a necessary adjunct to modern civilization.

[madrchsod]

25. i did the same thing and...

i bet there were a lot of republicans in those lines! of course that`s when there were jobs in the usa.

[madrchsod]

24. sounds like bullshit but....

in illinois one can draw unemployment and still work part time. one can make up to 50% of the unemployment amount with out being penalized.

[badtoworse]

26. We're screaming that truly unemployed people need help...

and some here are condoning what amounts to fraud? That is a very poor reflection on those who approve and does not help our cause at all.

[hobbit709]

27. "Welfare queen" type allegations do not prove fraud.

[badtoworse]

29. Your point?

[hobbit709]

30. Show me some proof of the alleged fraud.

there was none in that story and I doubt you can find it either.

[badtoworse]

31. Reread my post - condoning fraud is wrong...

Whether it actually occurred is irrevelant.

[Hannah Bell]

49. no, some are making the point that when the rulers behave lawlessly,

the peasants will do the same in self-defense.

that's a scientific observation, not an apologetics.

[Cal Carpenter]

28. Anecdotal crap

What's the point?

[KharmaTrain]

34. And This Is New???

35 years ago I had a friend who was a construction worker who would work 8 months of the year "on the books"...then he was "fired" over the winter and would collect UE until the next construction season began. During his "dole time" (as he called it), he continued to work for cash only and probably made more money that way than he did when he was contracted. He did this for years...so this is new?

Surprise Surprise someone found a way to screw the system. Wanna bet there are many others who've found loopholes as well. In these days, can you blame 'em? We're all on our own and you take it where you can get it.

[Scruffy1]

36. doesn't say what the job pays

[guitar man]

38. Ding Ding Ding!!!

Nail meet hammer!

I bet he's not offering shit for the job and that's why they don't want to give up UI for it.

I remember a guy getting pissy with me when I was walking away from a lowball offer. He said "I can't find anybody who will do this job!!" I told him " I will, just not for that kind of money"

He sat there for a minute and shot back "I can't AFFORD to pay any more than that, what am I supposed to do?!!" I said "here's an idea,get off your ass and do it yourself then you cheap bastard!!" And with that I walked out. ;)

[Lars39]

40. Also doesn't say how much unemployment is.

Can't meet basics on it in a lot of states.

[guitar man]

39. Translation

"Sleeman still can't find two qualified truck drivers willing to load and unload building supplies"

translation

"Cheap bastard isn't offering shit or he'd have the jobs filled already" ;)

[okieinpain]

42. i'm confused i thought there were no jobs. then there are jobs but

the companies won't hire people because they have no jobs, now there are jobs but people want jobs and unemployment insurance too.

[tinkerbell41]

44. Really?

In my view it's a win situation for the employer. He pays the employee cash, usually lower than regular pay, and the employer isn't paying into anything else either.
Say you are making 1600 a week while employed, on Unemployment it goes down to 300, the only jobs available are paying 10 an hour, after taxes you are back down to maybe 300 a week. You are still in the same situation. You have done nothing to improve it.
I'm not gonna starve, I don't expect anyone else to either. When you are talking about losing 1300 a week for 2+ years, what choices are there??

[Edweird]

46. If they were paying living wage this wouldn't be an issue.

[chaska]

50. I know somebody who did that, SHE'S A REPUBLICAN...

She was out of work like two weeks, but kept drawing unemployment. The government caught her. And then she got fired from her accounting job too.

Serves her ass right.

[asdjrocky]

51. I hope they do cheat the system.

And I hope they win, and the system looses.