This is troubling

[nadinbrzezinski]

no Operation Payback is not ok... since it breaks a slew of laws. Neither were several young men siting down at Woolworth counters to order some coffee oh back in the good ol' days.

Both broke laws... so both most be wrong.

Truth be told right now this has the feel of an old fashioned ... cyber riot... but like any other period of history this is a form of social protest.

I realize that this is not understood by those who really have no knowledge of history. Or for whatever reason they believe that laws are superior to man...this kind of thinking is alien to me since at times laws are wrong and need breaking.

I will not say if this falls in this category... suffice it to say that this is SOCIAL PROTEST... and it is time for people sot STOP BEING AFRAID of their fucking shadows and power as a society.

Oh and whether you think this is just crime for the sake of it, or social protest, the people in power actually get it. They know... and this is not easy to deal wiht for the people in power.

[LiberalLoner]

1. K&R All I know is, I'm happy to see it happening and happy to see the powers that be are

powerless against the transparency.

[L0oniX]

2. The Check Spelling button is your friend ...but K & R anyway

[LiberalLoner]

3. I think English is a second language for OP - sure does better than I do at any second

language....

[nadinbrzezinski]

thanks

that said, English, or rather American is my fourth language, and correctly spelled misspellings (Pretest, instead of protest) will not be caught by a mechanical spell checker,

My order is Spanish, Hebrew, English and finally American.

Yes the rules of spelling and grammar between Queens English and American are sufficiently different that they are increasingly considered two subsets of the same language.

:hi:

I went ahead and corrected that.

[madmax]

17. A typo doesn't negate the facts of what you write.

As always your posts are right on.

[Dappleganger]

24. ROFL

Simple minds.

[2Design]

4. breaking rules that shouldn't be rules is different than stealing from someone

or killing someone or ordering torture or killing innocent people

[Goldstein1984]

5. Power will always make effective dissent illegal

Legal and illegal does not always compliment right and wrong.

Slavery was legal, and clearly wrong.

Using marijuana is a crime with no victims.

Prostitution is making it illegal to sell what can be given away for free.

Personally, I don't care how illegal the growing dissent is, I support it.

[madmax]

8. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. it is growing that is true

[October]

16. Good post.

I can't help but relate it to the Pentagon Papers, as others have done -- including Ellsberg, himself

Civil disobedience is a foreign concept today. The powers-that-be are not used to any challenges because the world has changed so much since the 1960's. People have tried to march, blog, write letters, etc., but nothing has worked. THIS is the first thing that has gotten attention in a LONG time.

I'm watching people debate this and I'm glad to see it.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Anonymous people disrupting servers is not in the same league as

the civil rights protesters who demonstrated actual, physical courage and challenged bad laws by their willingness to be arrested, beaten, shot, attacked by dogs, etc.

[madmax]

13. Yes, the in person protests in Seattle against the WTO

worked out well.

No one cared, they tear gassed and beat the protestors, cops got overtime.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Actually yes, yes they are

they are a form of social protest... they fit every sense of that definition Oh and BOTH broke laws...

Then there are the kids who have gone out in actual, very live demonstrations...

[TwilightGardener]

18. No, they're not. I have to disagree in this case. It takes little courage

to jam up a server. It takes a lot of courage to be black and sit at a lunch counter in the Deep South in the 50's and 60's when no one wants you there and no one is going to protect your safety.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. you may want to disagree but FUNCTIONALLY they are the same

also you have no knowledge of how they can be tracked down, arrested and charged... all through the network, if they slip.

THis goes into how much people really do not understand the magical boxes. I hate to recommend fiction as an analogy but get any good cyberpunk novel... some of what is going on RIGHT NOW, was predicted by fiction writers twenty years ago.

necromancer might be a good place to start.

[Raschel]

22. Too bad the civil rights movment didn't have this tool. It's a great alternative to being hosed down

[October]

19. People have marched against the war(s)... it goes ignored

And "free speech zones" have made protestors practically invisible.

This is the first thing in a long time that is drawing attention and questions to how governments are run.

Things that worked in the past are not working today because they are spun and watered down in the current 24/7 "news" world.

[Mojorabbit]

26. Well I will see what price the 16 yo arrested today

will pay before I agree with you. It may be that these kids doing the hacking will pay dearly for their actions?

[madmax]

7. Power without blood shed.

If the only benefit that comes of this is to wake people up to the fact that what they read, watch or hear in the MSM is carefully crafted bullshit then it will be worth it. Add more distrust of the power of government against truth and well, it's a good thing. Our government uses our money, fosters ill will through out the world in order to benefit their corporate masters who fund their elections.

Journalists of the MSM are secretaries taking diction from their corporate bosses.

[leeroysphitz]

10. "Both broke laws... so both most be wrong."

You've hit the nail on the head here. Thanks.

[DearAbby]

14. Yeep

They can do it, you or I can not...one set of laws for TPTB and then there are a set of laws for the rest of us.

[originalpckelly]

11. THIS EMPIRE HAS NO LAWS!

It will break the laws it has when it wants to then expects we the little people to actually listen to it lecture us on the law. What these young people are doing is not violent. And it really is directly attacking the people who've interfered with Wikileaks.

[Raksha]

12. Plenty of us recognize Anonymous for the fighters against tyranny they are.

What Robin Hood did was also illegal.

[kctim]

20. So was what Gordon Kahl did

[AuntPatsy]

23. Good post

[jwirr]

25. K&R my grandson and I live together and I am watching it from my

computer while he keeps tract of it on his. What is actually interesting is how much we understand just what you are saying. This is social unrest and it is triggered by what is really happening in this world. He is smart enough to understand how this is working but I can add the history. We are working well together. By the way he is calling this "cyber-war".

I was reading the doc. about 4 scenarios about the collapse of our nation and suggested it to him. He laughed and said "way ahead of you grandma - I have already read it".