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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:08 PM Original message |
Big fricking surprise, Democrats in Congress still acting as if the President is holding them back |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why don't you just admit Obama has a major share of this fuck-up? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. who holds the power of the purse? |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. Evidently, he didn't get that message, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. There's NOTHING holding them to that deal or any other the President negotiates |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. Then why is he making spending deals? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. he can make all the deals he wants. That doesn't remove Congress from their ultimate responsibility |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Congress did pass a Tax Bill |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Obama says? He said nothing of the kind. His proposal is termed a 'framework' |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Take it or leave it. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Maybe if they had a minor stake in the original deal, this wouldn't be happening to Obama |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Reminds me of another president. |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. They write the bills.. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Here, maybe this helps |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. so, the President is responsible for their not doing their job |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. So they should pass bad laws because the Senate will? /nt |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. they should tell us whether they intend to adequately defend the middle to lower-income tax breaks |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Will you be housing and feeding |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. As I've stated before, as have the 'Pugs, |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. WTF does that have to do |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Because, like I stated, |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Where did you hear this? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Back last summer Mitch McConnell in one of the previous "showdowns" over UI extension |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. LOL - you're counting on McConnell? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I'm not counting on McConnell to do anything, I'm just nicking one of his ideas |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. self delete |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. when have they ever been required to be 'paid for' in the past? When? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. You're in favor of a tax cut for the rich and yet accuse me of going all 'Pug? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. tax cuts for the rich have been a part of EVERY tax bill that contained middle and lower-income cuts |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Umm, bub, don't try to lie about history to a historian |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. well, let's see if they'll fight. What's holding them back? We've been waiting all year. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I believe I even heard McConnell on the radio yesterday suggesting |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yeah, I heard that after a certain point, he wants to make UI benefits a loan |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. so, you're saying he should follow republican minority leader McConnell's economic lead |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Let's see, pay for UI extension out of the surplus, and deny tax cuts for the rich |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. let's see, set a precedent for 'paying for' unemployment benefits |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Let's see, let's make the tax cuts for the rich "temporary" again, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. just brushed past the point where you were agreeing with McConnell's economic strategy |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. they don't matter |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. See post 10 right above yours, |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. no, your'e wrong. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. So why not have Obama pay for those extensions out of left over surplus, |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Why do you people keep pretending that those benefits wouldn't have been |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Riiight cause they didnt just let them expire after a vote on it before the election |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I'm none of those, so you're barking up the wrong tree |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. AH HAHAHAHAHA! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. clownish |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. "Clownish" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. describing what was posted |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
94. Glad you explained. It could have been taken either way.n/t |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I remember when 'clown' was allowed to stand here |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. +++ |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. lol, yep. n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Many of the tax deals were long term tax deals that had a |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. let them expire |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. but, they won't. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. They have no leader. He's busy playing 'kissy face' with the opposition. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. the President isn't king. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. LMFAO! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. who holds the power of the purse? Who crafts legislation for Congress, the President? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. What are you smoking? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. it's a constitutional fact. Congress has the prerogative on economic matters |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. The president should be working directly with his own party, first. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. His own party looked like they were just going to let the expiration deadline pass |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. They should have expired. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. 99ers, nothing. Low-income, expansion of the earned income tax credit |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. And NONE of that should be tied to the so-called death tax |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. what was Congress going to ultimately do if the President didn't try to deal? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
73. rofl |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
81. "So I pass a signature piece of legislation..........." |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. they have a leader- |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. "they have a leader"- Who? Obama? lmao. That guy is a follower. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. who exactly is he following? he isn't following the republicans |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
97. You KNOW, and I KNOW, |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
83. That's right they're not following him - and they have a damn good reason for doing so. |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
23. they should have repealed Bush tax cuts for the rich in 2009 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. +1 |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. When did he say they needed to wait? |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. Obama's Non Tax Reform Commission |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. Obama's Tax Policy Means Wait And See |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. The President REPEATEDLY urged Congress to vote on those BEFORE the election |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. The Congress did vote before the election. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
76. ah |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
38. So people are disloyal for criticizing Obama but the Democrats in Congress are fair game. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
89. where did you get your narrative about 'loyalty'? That's another debate. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Deleted message |
butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
41. They are talking about the President .. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. blah blah blah blah blah.......... |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. +1000 |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. are you defending Congress? |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
96. +1001 |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
63. At least you're consistent. nt |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. Congressional posturing = pain for the bottom (unemployed) for political gain ("principles"). n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. holding hostages. |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Because many have no domicile and thus can't/don't vote. n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. you can still vote here in NH if you don't have a home- |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
93. yup, they can stand up at any point |
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