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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:51 PM Original message |
I keep hearing in many threads how the reason we lost in 2010 was because liberals stayed home. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Those who voted for Obama in 2008 did not come out in similar numbers |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And those that voted for Kerry in 2004 did not come out in similar numbers. And those that voted for |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. probly some of both |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Every liberal I know in real life and not on an anonymous web site voted |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. I heard the other day that in NC, the youth really did stay home |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Can you point out any midterm election where the youth DIDN'T stay home? |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Comparing 2006 to 2010, there was a 3% difference in youth turnout. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. moderates dont go work on campaigns and stroke big checks. liberals do. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Which would be an opinion and not a verifiable fact. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. Corporations Write Much Bigger Checks to the Repiggies |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. I beg to differ. I did not work on campaigns, but I wrote many checks. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. Of course you are right. He does not need liberals. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'm not saying he doesn't need liberals at all. I'm saying that the vast majority of liberals |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Well look at who got those votes and who did not |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Not quite. Defazio won in 2010 by 8 points. In 2006, he won by... 24 points. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. This is not horseshoes, winning is winning. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Perhaps the percentages can give you a clue as to WHY certain people won or lost? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Any incumbent lost their own district. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That's like blaming it being hot out today on rabbits, and saying "that sun thing is just |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Wonder then why liberals didn't turn out to defeat the blue dogs in the primaries? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #34 |
71. DeFazio's district has the university town of Eugene, BUT |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Check back next week. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Or perhaps they are paying attention, and they don't see the world as you do? n/t |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Hey liberals are useless... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Why do you assume I'm "dumping them?" Im merely stating that the VAST majority of them support Obama |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Was I talking to you? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Exit Polls |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I thought the meme here was that the exit polls were right and the results were wrong. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. No |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. And all the pre-election polls that say the same thing? Many run by Democrats? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. so |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I'm saying that even Democratic firms predicted huge Republican wins. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Ever hear of Rove? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. "Or are you just in denial?" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Well |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
11. You're right-- it's not worth pursuing "moderates". |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. +1. That was beautiful! nt |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
76. +1,000,000 |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Your basic premise is incorrect. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. i will say |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I would fully agree that post. n/t |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And if you think those doubts.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Oh yeah. Swing voters who voted for the REPUBLICANS by 18 points are doing it because he's not |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. You really don't understand.. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. No. We turned out and voted. We just didn't convince our neighbors to do the same, as we did in |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
30. We must be in parallel universes. I heard *accusations* that liberals stayed home, But no facts. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. I've heard that BS only from people who habitually bash liberal/left Democrats |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
32. I don't think liberals stayed home. |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
77. yes and they said the GOP was OVER, like them now, WE can WIN 2012 |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
33. Well, that illustrates that his "centrist" ideology was a flop. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Perhaps moderates didn't believe Obama was centrist in the slightest bit? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Obama would have to move left to be 'centrist', so maybe they didn't consider him to be one. nt |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. delete |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. That is what you think. But you think isn't really relevant to what they think. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Repubs in my area were attacking the Dem candidates as "Pelosi Democrats". |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
35. Liberals never stay home. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
42. your primary error |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Certainly Someone Stayed Home, Captain: 2008, 66,000,000 Democratic House Votes; 2010, 35,000,000 |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You are comparing a 60% Presidential year to a 40% midterm year. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Yes, Sir, And It Demonstrates That Many People Stayed Home, Who Could Have Been Turned Out |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. But that happens frequently between Presidential years and midterm years. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. So It Is A Problem the Party Needs To Address, Sir |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. That might help somewhat. But many people (a plurality in some polls) have no idea who actually |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. No One Would Accept That, Sir, From Someone Whose Sales Figures Came In 20% Under Projections |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
79. We got our asses kicked because a large percentage of our voters from 2008 stayed home. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. What website is it that you're reading? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
56. Fine we'll leave. I'm not a right winger anyway, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. If you think the current Democratic party is right-wing |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
59. Big big gap in your reasoning |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. In my OP, I specifically stated that the percentage of the electorate has been 20% liberal in 2006 |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Then I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. No. I'm trying to say that Repubs won because Independents and moderates swung towards them. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. But On The Numbers, Sir, that is Not Really the Case, Not By the Absolute Numbers |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
65. The Youth stayed home in 2010, and yes they are predominatly Liberal |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Is there any midterm or off-year election where they don't stay home? n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
72. Two points: |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
74. I'm seeing that the percentage of both democrats and liberals was lowest in 2010 |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
75. Why are liberals being blamed for the loss of midterms |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
78. So is this saying the people who voted were unhappy with how |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
80. Inflated self importance |
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