I just don't know who to believe anymore...

[Eurobabe]

The latest story out of Nevada that Clinton operatives are behind this lawsuit filed by the Teacher's Union, suddenly trying to keep the casino workers from caucusing. It wasn't an issue until Barack won Iowa, correct me if I am wrong.

If this is true, I am going to have a really hard time voting for Clinton, should she be the eventual nominee in the GE come Fall. If this is true, then the Clintons and the DNC are no better than the RNC and KKKarl Rove with their voter suppression tactics.

:wtf: :nuke:

Hillary Clinton's Dirty Campaign Tactics
By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet
Posted on January 15, 2008, Printed on January 15, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/73782/

The headlines say the latest schism among the top Democratic presidential candidates is over gender and race. But on the ground in the presidential season's opening states, there is a darker narrative: that Hillary Clinton will not just fight hard, but fight dirty, to win. And her tactic of choice is attempting to suppress the votes of her rival's supporters.

The latest example is from Nevada, where the Nevada State Education Association is widely seen as filing a suit on Clinton's behalf to stop Las Vegas' most powerful union, Culinary Workers Local 226, from caucusing inside downtown casinos after the union endorsed Barack Obama. The tactic foments a split along racial and class lines in arguably the strongest union city in America.

[elleng]

1. 48%, I can't tell you who to believe,

just my suspicions.

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if billary are, if not active, at least encouraging this. Neither would I be surprised to learn that they had something to do with keeping kerry from fighting '04 election theft. They're gonna play all their marbles, and then (my suspicion, again) REPS will uncover it all, clinton/dems will be down the drain for a long time (as c of c donahue said recently.) My imagination is taking flight; sorry!

I'm not supporting anyone now, but may support Dem in general if they have Wes in their admin. If not, write in Biden. I'm afraid if Wes learns of Billary crap.

Dunno about DNC, but DLC is 100% Corp.

[Eurobabe]

2. it's so depressing....

if it wasn't so darn important re: supreme court vacancies, i think i might be tempted to not vote for the first time in my entire life.

:shrug:

[1corona4u]

3. Well, I don't go to alternet...

but here is another article, and since I didn't read the one above, not sure how much different they are;

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gyvInzNqbVlZRinR5LP_RYQ8CU1AD8U60JFG2


Bottom line, TIME FOR CAUCUSES TO GO AWAY. TOTALLY.

It's a STUPID fucking system.

Oh, and I also thik it's quite telling that EVERYTHING is being blamed on Hillary. I don't but it.

[1corona4u]

4. Here's another article...

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/nevada_teachers_criticize_laws.html


And this;

It's not easy to get on and off the Strip. Its not like you can take an hour and jet off and go home to your home precinct and come back," Kirsten Searer with the Nevada Democratic Party said.

That's why they Democratic Party says they created nine special "at large" caucuses on the Strip. They are intended to give shift workers a place to caucus close to their jobs.

But the Nevada State Education Association says those caucuses violate equal protection laws. They say no special provision was made for education employees working the day of the caucus.

"We don't think the process is fair so we said no, it's not okay to continue down this road of unfair representation," NSEA Executive Director Terry Hickman said.

The caucus locations have been known and signed off on by everyone in the Democratic Party since March, begging the question why they waited until Friday to file the lawsuit.

Jesse Corona: You can't really argue that the timing of the lawsuit is pretty suspect.

Terry Hickman: Our involvement in the lawsuit is simply because it became the opportunity to stand up and say this is not fair

"This only became an issue two days after our endorsement of Senator Obama and not Senator Clinton," Culinary Union Secretary and Treasurer D. Taylor told News 3.

It's believed that because of their Strip locations, many of the "at large" precincts will support Obama. Although the NSEA says they are nonpartisan, many of their top officials are public Hillary Clinton supporters. So the Culinary Union says what the lawsuit is attempting to do is suppress support for Senator Obama.

The NSEA says it only signed onto the lawsuit, so did not have anything to do with the timing of the filing. The state Democratic Party says it expects an injunction will be filed shortly and a hearing set on the issue this week.

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7623465&nav=15MV

[monmouth]

7. I wonder if Harry Reid had/has his nose in this. Him, I definitely

don't trust. His family is ingrained all over Nevada, they have their own agenda.

[murbley40]

5. I don't buy it either.

edited to add: After reading the articles,maybe I misunderstand,but it seems to me that if they are going to open at-large caucus sites to allow workers who work at night, then it should be for all the workers who work at night,not just the culinary workers union who 's members work at the casinos and hotels. And if Obama wanted all to have a vote he would back that and not be directing this at Hillary. Hillary did not file this suit nor did her campaign. The teachers union has not endorsed Hillary.

This is what bothers me about Obama, he blows on the fire just enoug to keep it going. I feel he
is just as "cut throat" as any of the others and I think he has a hidden agenda.

All of this is why Joe Biden was so far above all of them. :puke:

[1corona4u]

6. Bottom line...

the state will decide, and hopefully, they will make that decision based on law. I would have never agreed to those locations had I been in a position to do so, and I get why they wanted to do it, but you can't accomidate one group of voters, and not another.

And, yes, it does give Obama an advantage over Hillary the way it is right now.

And is it just me, but first, the race issue in SC, now the voting thing in NV.....seems a little odd....don't remember anything like this happening before NH??

When did the race thing first come up, and why has Obama spoken out about this lawsuit, but has barely said a word about the race thing?

Other than MI, who votes next? When does the next 'issue' start?

[gateley]

8. When do you guys get to vote in your primary?

I'm disgusted with both campaigns now -- and will probably write in Joe in my primary, just because it will make me feel good.

I've always heard the Clinton Machine is cutthroat - and I agree about the DLC. That's ALMOST like an (R) behind somebody's name.

Obama is doing his fair share of slopping around in the mud and trying to manipulate votes, too.

Sickeningly, it's how it's done, and we're the ones who lose.

Come the GE, I'll vote whoever the nom is. No matter how much I'm uncomfortable with that choice, it'd be nowhere the FEAR I feel of getting one of those idiots from the repugs to take over where Bush left off.

My consolation is, Once s/he are in office, they'll be focused on their RE-election, and will do stuff to make us happy. :eyes: