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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:10 PM
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Government followers break up celebration of Bandera Roja

http://english.eluniversal.com/2009/01/20/en_pol_esp_government-followers_20A2199483.shtml
pro-government group headed by Lina Ron broke up the 39th anniversary ceremony of political Bandera Roja party at the Caracas Athenaeum.

Gabriel Puerta Aponte, the leader of Bandera Roja, said that the group broke in Margot Benacerraf Hall shooting and hurling tear gas.

"We were assailed by gangs of the (United Socialist Party of Venezuela) PSUV commanded by Lina Ron, which since very early in the morning rallied in Morelos Square. A large armed group took the lobby of Margot Benacerraf Hall, at the Caracas Athenaeum and from there, they started to shoot and throw tear gas until they managed to evict us from the site," the leader reported.

He held President Hugo Chávez directly accountable for "sending these gangs" in order to provoke the people who form part of the government dissent.

Puerta Aponte said that the National Guard witnessed the event in complicity with the assailants. "They continue attacking nearby; they have taken the lower part of the Athenaeum and would not let the media or anybody to get in. And the National Guard is over there and let them act, protecting the assault."


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:52 PM
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1. more propaganda



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:50 AM
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2. Venezuelan Government Condemns Violent Demonstrations
January 21st 2009, by James Suggett - Venezuelanalysis.com

Opposition students throw rocks at police during anti-amendment protest Tuesday (AP)

Mérida, January 21st, 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com)-- Violent confrontations related to the campaign for an amendment to Venezuela's constitution that would abolish the two-term limit on elected office have taken place in several Venezuelan cities, prompting the government to proclaim that demonstrators who threaten public security should be promptly detained by local police ...

In Caracas on Monday, motorcyclists identifying themselves as members of the pro-Chávez organization La Piedrita threw several tear gas canisters at the building of the apostolic delegates in Venezuela. The apostolic facility is considered to sympathize with the opposition and last year granted opposition student leader Nixon Moreno asylum after Moreno was charged with rape.

Police detained six members of La Piedrita who tear gassed a meeting of the opposition party Bandera Roja on Tuesday and declared the party's leaders "military targets."

In the western city of Mérida Monday, masked opposition students burned tires and threw glass bottles to block off a major avenue, then retreated into the university before any confrontations with police ...

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4130
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:32 AM
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3. you appeared skeptical about recent Chavez and Obama statements
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4125

this should clear things up for you since its coming from an "acceptable news source".
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:54 PM
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4. OP says Chavez supporters attacked Bandera Roja; my post #2 reports attackers arrested
I'm not sure exactly why you think the apparent conflict between La Piedrita and Bandera Roja has any bearing on the various Obama v Chavez reports in the last week, as this seems to me a change of subject, not related to the basic content of the thread

Nor am I sure where you picked up the phrase "acceptable news source," which you seem to attribute to my prior discussion of "Chavez and Obama statements" -- which you want to characterize as skeptical. My view is that reporting is often rather imperfect, as I have repeatedly pointed out, most recently with regard to the Obama v Chavez reports: the link you are now citing, for example, wants to translate Ojalá yo me equivoque, pero creo que con Obama viene la misma miasma as I already think that Obama will come to be the same miasma, which apparently inserts already and grossly mistranslates con Obama viene as Obama will come to be. Because of this, I prefer to examine multiple lines of evidence and transcripts when attempting to determine what people have actually said. When possible, I often prefer to attempt to determine facts first and to analyze second: the analysis will depend on the apparent facts and may change when facts become more accurately known. In any case, half-sentences, or single words stripped from their context, do not seem to me to provide much occasion for outrage



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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:10 PM
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5. I was just providing you with further clarification from a "news" source
you seem to be comfortable with.

you seemed skeptical of the videos I provided, both of Obama and Chavez.
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