Chávez's verbal attacks against the US made Lula uneasy, according to US cables

[Bacchus39]

http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/12/20/en_pol_esp_chavezs-verbal-atta_20A4879371.shtml


Verbal attacks against the United States by Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez caused "discomfort" to Brazil's President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, according to a diplomatic cable sent to Washington in 2005 for the then US Ambassador in Brazil. The report was leaked by the whistleblower website WikiLeaks.

In the diplomatic cable, whose contents were published by the Brazilian newspaper O Globo, US Ambassador John Danilovich reported contacts he had with the Brazilian Presidential Chief of Staff José Dirceu, who presumably was entrusted by Lula with the task of sending a message to the Venezuelan president, DPA reported.

According to Danilovich, Dirceu would urge Chávez to "stand down from his provocative rhetoric and focus on his country's internal problems." He would also say that Chávez's provocations against the US "do not serve Venezuela's national interests and are a matter of concern to Brazil and neighbors."

Based on statements attributed to José Dirceu, Brazil's former Chief of Staff, the then US General Consul Patrick Duddy, said that President Lula left the Venezuelan capital before the end of a summit held in 2004 because he was "uncomfortable" with the position taken by the Venezuelan president, and then he had not returned any of Chávez's phone calls. However, he did not report for how long.

[Zorro]

1. Even Lula thinks Hugo is a loudmouthed troublemaker

[EFerrari]

5. You can see it in their pictures.

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Politica/foto/0,,21781035-EX,00.jpg







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Oh, yeah. Lula couldn't stand Chavez.

lol

[Billy Burnett]

8. Not to mention Lula's glowing praise of Hugo in South of the Border.

Some of the memos on Cuba and Venezuela related topics (as well as others) appear to be part of the self justifying circle jerk of US imperialism. Like reports on Emmanuel Goldstein from Big Brother.

[EFerrari]

9. Lula and Chavez were a brilliant team

and State didn't know what hit them until it was too late.

[Bacchus39]

2. some more on this Spanish

http://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/latinoamerica/lula-pidio-a-chavez-bajar-el-tono-contra-ee-uu-segun-wikileaks_8653940-4

El presidente brasileño, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, pidió a su homólogo venezolano, Hugo Chávez, "que bajara el tono contra Estados Unidos", publicó el miércoles el diario El País, citando cables del Departamento de Estado difundidos por Wikileaks.

Según el diario madrileño, el presidente brasileño envió a su ex lugarteniente, José Dirceu, a advertirle a su par venezolano de que no "jugara con fuego".

"La incendiaria retórica de Hugo Chávez desde su primera investidura presidencial no solo molestaba a Estados Unidos, el principal destinatario de las invectivas, sino también a Brasil, cuyo presidente Lula da Silva quiso aplacar la virulencia del discurso bolivariano con mensajes privados que le solicitaban contención", destacó El País.

La mano derecha de Lula en el Gobierno, José Dirceu, habría advertido a Chávez de la conveniencia de dejar de "jugar con fuego", según dijo el propio Dirceu en una entrevista con el embajador norteamericano en Brasilia, John Danilovich, revelan los documentos de Wikileaks.

Al parecer la recomendación de Lula no tuvo efecto en el presidente venezolano que "continuó atacando a Estados Unidos en todos los frentes".

Por su parte, el jefe de la legación diplomática norteamericana explicó a Dirceu que la política de Washington "en ese sentido era no contestar a Chávez para no darle excusas", para "que se ahogue él mismo", publicó El País.

[Billy Burnett]

3. If a US diplomat's cable says so, then it must be true.

Like the US cable that reported that Sicko was banned in Cuba.

Who's foolin' who? :shrug:

[Bacchus39]

4. not at all, alot is juicy diplomatic gossip and reports on conversations with foreign officials

very fascinating, not necessarily 100% accurate. that being said, I don't find it difficult to believe that Lula thinks that Chavez is an obnoxious loud mouth.

[EFerrari]

7. In the absence of all evidence, with Lula siding with Chavez

on everything up to and including Wikileaks.

[Bacchus39]

10. oh I am very much enjoying Wikileaks, I suspect some of the leaders and diplomats

discussed in the cables are a bit uncomfortable. I am sure Chavez and Lula see them about the same time we do. I can't imagine Chavez is too happy with Lula describing his demeanor as pretty much a pendejo.

[social_critic]

11. on everything?

The last I heard, Brazil is running a very healthy capitalist system. They even have a stock market where they sell Petrobras shares so the little guy can own a piece of their giant oilfield action.

[EFerrari]

6. The US didn't know Lula was playing "Good Cop" to the Chavez "Bad Cop"

until Zelaya was already in the Brazilian embassy.