Wikileaks Revealed that the Kirchners Criticized Chavez (Spanish)

[Bacchus39]

http://eluniversal.com/2011/03/13/revelan-que-los-kirchner-criticaron-a-chavez.shtml



Buenos Aires.- La presidenta argentina, Cristina Fernández, y su antecesor en el cargo, Néstor Kichner, llegaron a criticar a su firme aliado en la región, el venezolano Hugo Chávez, para acercar posiciones con Estados Unidos, según cables difundidos por WikiLeaks que publica hoy el diario argentino La Nación.

The Kirchners criticized Hugo to achieve closer relations with the USA according to Wikileaks.

Fernández "dijo que pensaba que Chávez estaba equivocado y que a menudo habla sin pensar. 'Todos debemos ser más cuidados con lo que decimos en público'", afirmó la mandataria en mayo de 2009 en un encuentro con el entonces embajador de Estados Unidos en Buenos Aires, Earl Anthony Wayne, según relató el funcionario en un despacho diplomático dos días después, señaló Efe.

Fernanez said "she thinks Chavez is wrong and often speaks without thinking. We all need to be cautious with what we say in public." she affirmed in May of 09 while meeting with the US ambassador in Buenos Aires.

Su esposo y antecesor, el fallecido Néstor Kirchner, fue más allá durante su mandato, ya que en 2005 llegó a decir en un encuentro con legisladores estadounidenses que el mandatario venezolano "habla demasiado", y que si la potencia norteamericana "actúa con inteligencia, Chávez será neutralizado".

He husband went further, in 2005 said to Us congressman that Chavez talks too much and if the US "acts with intelligence, Chavez will be neutralized."

"Como le dije al (entonces) presidente (George W.) Bush, vamos a colaborar con los Estados Unidos para mejorar la situación en Venezuela", señaló en ese encuentro en la Casa Rosada (sede del Gobierno) el expresidente (2003-2007), según otro cable sobre la reunión.

"As I said to then presidente Bush, we are going to collaborate with the US to improve the situation in Venezuela", he said at a meeting at the Casa Rosada.



Según estos nuevos textos, en su mayoría cables enviados desde la embajada estadounidense en la capital argentina entre 2003 y mediados de 2010, miembros del Gobierno de Fernández, entre ellos el excanciller Jorge Taiana o el actual ministro de Economía, Amado Boudou, expresaron en varias ocasiones el deseo de concretar un encuentro entre la mandataria y su par de EEUU.

According to the cables, members of the Fernandez government said on various occasions they wish to have a meeting between Fernandez and the US president.

[naaman fletcher]

1. good find. nt

[joshcryer]

2. The cable is here, I wonder who Chavez will ask to resign over this one:

(SBU) On Venezuela, Senators Dodd and Nelson noted that they had just traveled to Caracas and had a meeting with President Chavez. Senator Nelson said that Chavez had said that he wanted a "new beginning" with the United States. Should the United States believe him? President Kirchner said that all countries have to work together to "integrate" Chavez into the Hemisphere. It is better to work with him than to exclude him. After all is said and done, Chavez listens. Kirchner is convinced that Chavez is less dangerous than is believed.

(SBU) The reality is that Chavez is the elected president of the Venezuelans, Kirchner continued. Chavez is neither a communist nor a socialist -- he (Venezuela) has important investments in the U.S. Better to have Chavez in MERCOSUR and talking to the U.S. and the EU than left out. Kirchner said Chavez "treats Argentine businessmen better than he treats us (the GoA)." Kirchner admitted that Chavez often tries Kirchner's patience. "He talks too much!" (Comment: Sources close to Kirchner have told us that the Argentine President was livid when he shared a stage with Chavez during the latter's last trip to Argentina and Chavez launched a 45-minute diatribe against the U.S. Kirchner reportedly said that he would never let that happen again. End Comment.) Kirchner believes that he and Lula can help democracy in Venezuela. He reminded that he had met with the Venezuelan opposition a number of times, including in his last trip to Caracas.

(SBU) As to the Venezuelan opposition, they need to analyze why they did not win the referendum and have to present an alternative, Kirchner counseled. "People sometimes choose the lesser evil," he said. "If the U.S. acts with intelligence, Chavez will be neutralized," Kirchner asserted. Senator Dodd said that President Uribe of Colombia shared that view. Kirchner ended the Venezuela discussion by reiterating that, "As I told President Bush, we will collaborate with the U.S. to improve the situation in Venezuela."

http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05BUENOSAIRES138.html

Wikileaks is the gift that keeps on giving.

[naaman fletcher]

3. interesting:

"As I told President Bush, we will collaborate with the U.S. to improve the situation in Venezuela."at'

Love it.

[Bacchus39]

4. thanks, interesting stuff isn't it? n/t

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[Judi Lynn]

5. Information delivered to pResident Bush by Lino Guttierez, Cuban hardliner.

Whst are the chances this material would be wildly colored?

Some people may be confused with what they see in cables, not recognizing the authors can be good, bad, or indifferent, and appointed for any number of reasons, if nothing else, to repay heavy campaign assistance. A clean report from a conscientious ambassador would be trustworthy, clearly. Reports from ambassadors with agendas would not.

Lino Gutierrez:

~snip~
Five of Bush's key Latin American policy appointees are anti-Castro Cuban-Americans. When you consider that Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in this country far outnumber Cubans, the number of these appointments is remarkable.

The five are:

• Otto Reich, the assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs. A Cuban-American who served in the Reagan administration, Reich was censured for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal along with Lt. Col. Oliver North and former CIA Director William Casey.

• Lino Gutierrez, former ambassador to Nicaragua during Reagan's Contra war against the Sandinistas, and now Reich's assistant.

• Col. Emilio Gonzalez, an aide at the National Security Council in charge of Caribbean affairs.

• Adolfo Franco, Latin America administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development, and a protege of Miami's Republican Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

• Mauricio Tamargo, head of the foreign claims settlement commission and Ros-Lehtinen's ex-chief of staff.

Roger Noriega, one of the two non-Cuban Bush appointees, is U.S. ambassador to the Organization of American States and a former staffer for Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Rogelio Pardo-Maurer, deputy assistant secretary of defense for Western Hemisphere affairs, who is of Costa Rican parentage, is a former Green Beret who during the 1980s was a spokesman for the Nicaraguan Contras, the CIA-backed rebel army that fought to overthrow the leftist Sandinista government.

In addition, Jose Cardenas, the Colombian-born former head of the Cuban-American National Foundation's Washington office, now advises Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2002/05/16/2002-05-16_policy_on_cuba_in_miami_vise.html

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~snip~
THE NOSTALGIC LINO GUTIERREZ

Number two in the White House Latin American apparatus, Lino Gutiérrez, acted as temporary under-secretary of state for Western Hemispherical Affairs from June 4, 2001 until Bush forced through Reich’s appointment, against the clearly expressed will of the Senate. He is now Reich’s confidante, given that he has clearly demonstrated his aptitude for exercising the maneuvers of his chief. Born in Havana in 1951, Gutiérrez likewise left the island at an early age. He "distinguished" himself for the first time during the U.S. invasion of Grenada in October 1983. He then reappeared as head of the political section at the U.S. embassy in Porte-au-Prince, Haiti. He headed the Nicaragua desk at the State Department during the time of the dirty war against the Sandinista Revolution. In December 1996, he took on the post of ambassador in Managua until July 1999. Like his boss, he has always been openly associated with conspiracies hatched by the CANF and other fanatical Miami groups that have sustained him in his career.

During the Bush administration, he was the strategist behind the latest anti-Cuban maneuvers at the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva. He has publicly described his work as "extraordinary." He conspired against the Chávez government in Venezuela. Last July he directly participated in the Nicaraguan elections, crudely threatening voters with reprisals in the case of Daniel Ortega being elected to the presidency.

Gutiérrez is a fanatical partisan of the blockade against Cuba. When Cuba recently made the first purchase of foodstuffs from the United States for many years, he rushed off to Miami to calm apprehensions in Mafiosi circles and to assure that this purchase did not constitute a change of U.S. policy toward Cuba.

http://indymedia.nl/en/2002/06/4590.shtml

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Published on Wednesday, June 6, 2001 in the Guardian of London
George W. Bush's America
White House Revives Iran-Contra Memories
US diplomat urges action to block Ortega in Nicaragua

by Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles

The US role in Central America has been brought into sharp focus by two recent events with echoes of the 1980s civil wars in the region.
Last week the state department sent a senior official to Nicaragua to encourage opposition to the Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega, who the polls suggest will win this year's presidential election.

But President Bush's nominee for ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, who is accused of turning a blind eye to atrocities and helping the contras in the covert war against the Sandinistas when he was ambassador to Hondurason the 1980s, looks less certain of getting the job now that the Republicans have lost control of the Senate.

Last week Lino Gutierrez, number two in the state department's western hemisphere bureau and a former ambassador to Nicaragua, made it clear in a barely coded address to the American chamber of commerce in Managua that the US would not look kindly on the Sandinistas' re-emergence.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0606-03.htm

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Ambassador Lino Gutierrez
CEO
Gutierrez Global, LLC

Ambassador Lino Gutierrez is CEO of Gutierrez Global, LLC, a consulting firm specializing on strategic advice for corporations and non-government organizations with overseas investments and programs.

Ambassador Gutierrez retired from the U.S. Department of State in October 2006 after a 29-year career. From 2003 to 2006 he served as United States Ambassador to Argentina. During his tenure in Argentina, Ambassador Gutierrez signed agreements on container security, narcotics cooperation, counter-terrorism, money laundering, proliferation security, and environmental cooperation with the Republic of Argentina. In October 2005, Ambassador Gutierrez received President Bush at the Mar del Plata Summit of the Americas, only the fifth visit by a U.S. President to Argentina.

From 2002 to 2003, Ambassador Gutierrez served as International Affairs Advisor at the National War College. From August 1999 to July 2002, Ambassador Gutierrez served as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the Department of State. From June 2001 to January 2002, Mr. Gutierrez was Acting Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs. From November 1996 to July 1999 Mr.Gutiérrez served as United States Ambassador to Nicaragua. During his tenure, Ambassador Gutiérrez coordinated the U.S. relief effort in Nicaragua following the devastation of Hurricane Mitch in October 1998. He received President Clinton when he visited the hurricane-affected areas in March 1999, the second visit by a U.S. President to Nicaragua.

Mr. Gutierrez also served in Santo Domingo, Lisbon, Port-au-Prince, Grenada, Paris and Nassau. In Washington, Mr. Gutiérrez has served as Officer-in-Charge of Nicaraguan Affairs, Officer-in-Charge of Portuguese Affairs, and Director of the Office of Policy Planning, Coordination and Press in the Bureau of Inter-American Affairs.

A native of Havana, Cuba, Ambassador Gutiérrez attended the University of Miami and the University of Alabama, where he received a B.A. in Political Science (1972) and an M.A. in Latin American Studies (1976). Between 1973 and 1975, he was a social studies teacher for the Dade County School System and the Urban League in Miami, Florida.

http://www.hitn.tv/dcb/guests.php?date=20101007&bkbt=dcb_20110217_00

[Bacchus39]

6. you should ask Senator Dodd's office for confirmation of the events

on edit: as he was present, and Fernandez's comments were to the succeeding ambassador, a career diplomat, not to Lino.

seems that few don't think Chavez is a fool.

[joshcryer]

7. Cables are only true if you agree with them.

Duh.

[EFerrari]

8. LOL Yeah, Chris Dodd, CountryWide's best friend.

Let's ask him. :)