Will reporting good news always come with attacks on DUers?

[Enrique]

for the rest of Obama's presidency, will people that have taken up the job of defending Obama against attacks from the left persist in "punishing" Obama critics with every bit of good news, as if it's not good news for us as well, which is a lie.

It's going to make for a bitter time here if y'all keep doing that.

[Teaser]

1. everyone stop posting good news!

thanks.

[Beetwasher]

2. Man, That's One Hell Of A Sentence

I feel like I'm reading the verbal equivalent of a Mobius Loop.

I'll get back to you after I unscramble my synapses.

[JVS]

3. Jan 10 2017: Troops out of Iraq. EAT IT HATERZ!!!!111!!eleven!!!1!!

[Peacetrain]

4. Say what?... Sorry, if it offends you.. but I will post good news 24/7 if I want to..

What can I say.. I am holding your feet to the fire.. :wtf: Did you read what you wrote? That is a tough sentence for a person with dyslexia :rofl:..

[FrenchieCat]

5. I automatically get unrec no matter what I post......

but certainly if I post good news, there's like 20 unrec 1 second after hitting the post button.
In fact, these days, I only post good news over at the BOG...where folks can't tear it down or post OT via one line drive byes, usually with pics of dead children and Orwell's book and shit.

Also, the couple of times I try posting good news over at the economic forum, that shit was unrec'ed so fast, it made my head spin!

So I don't know about this op of yours,
cause it appears that the culprits are not those who satire the fact that
so many here take good news for the nation as being bad news for them,
cause they don't care for this President, and are generally unhappy and would
prefer if we all joined their cynical view of everything remotely associated
with this administration.

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. "there's like 20 unrec 1 second after hitting the post button." Hyperbolic much?

Do you get it yet?

[SpartanDem]

6. Like bad news doesn't come with attacks?

[Enrique]

7. that's an ok point

Obama defenders shouldn't be "punished" either.

But it doesn't happen that way very much. When people posted the Geithner story today, they'd didn't say "suck on this, Obama defenders!" or anything like that.

But I've seen several posts of the Dawn Johnsen story, all of them did taunt Obama critics.

[hileeopnyn8d]

14. I think

you are blind and/or blinded. I don't consider myself solidly in either group, but I have seen totally off-topic negative remarks posted in almost every single somewhat positive or what really should be neutral threads.

First Lady is going to be on the Food Network = she's single handedly setting us back to the 50s...

Michael Steele is an idiot, criticizes President over sending his daughters to private school turns into Michael Steele is right, and Obama is an elitist who didn't even bother to consider public school.

Michelle Obama visits __________ story & photo inside - the first post says "that's nice, did she tell them that they're all gonna die fighting in her husband's never-ending war, lining the pockets of his best friends in (insert MIC/banksters/or what have you)?"

[Enrique]

21. maybe I remember what it was like before Obama was elected

when Nancy Pelosi was routinely called a bitch. When I had Pelosi as my avatar and I did not see a single other Pelosi avatar. When a thread with Pelosi in the OP would be greeted with unanimous vitriol, totally unthinking. When a thread about Hillary titled "I fucking hate her" was at the top of the greatest page.

We don't see anything remotely close to that now with Obama. Not even close. Tons of DUers have Obama in their avatars and in their sig lines.

DU is tough on dems, but not on Obama. Obama is getting off really easy for some of the shit he's doing. Stuff that no other dem could get away with and shouldn't.

[DevonRex]

28. DU is not tough on Obama? Good grief you're living in an alternate universe.

[Enrique]

30. people called Pelosi a "bitch"

and it didn't get deleted. No one even complained.

what's the worst name anyone has called Obama? Actual answer, please.

[DevonRex]

31. I'm not repeating the worst thing anybody here ever called Obama. No sir.

[Enrique]

32. bullshit

and you know it.

[DevonRex]

33. Uh, no, it's NOT bullshit that I will NOT repeat the worst thing anybody here ever called Obama.

[Enrique]

35. "too little too late bitch"

Pelosi orders a probe of Wall Street, and the entire thread attacks her. She gets called a bitch and no one says a thing.

People say "hey nancy-shut your face you old pos windbag" and no one says a thing.

And you're telling me Obama gets it rough?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3494252

[DevonRex]

41. So you're saying the site would be better if Obama were called vile names?

Kind of goes against your own OP.

[Enrique]

43. you know I'm not saying that

onto the ignore list. Sorry I'm going to miss your examples of Obama abuse, which I'm sure you will be providing.

[DevonRex]

44. Buh bye.

[LooseWilly]

64. And still no examples... or even links... or hints... or...

You are devoid of factuality. I decry you...

[Undercurrent]

36. OK

I've kept a list, which I am SURE is incomplete as I rarely visit GD.

Words Obama has been called on DU

fucker
asshole
evil
slime ball
just like Bush
bigot
house negro
liar
murderer
torturer
elitist
NWO lackey


Actions suggested on DU:

fuck him
impeach him
primary him
don't vote for him

[Enrique]

38. and were any of those people not tombstoned?

I gave a link where Pelosi was called a bitch and no one even said anything, let alone the poster being tombstoned. I could easiy find more such links.

Obama is very well supported here at DU. People like him, even his critics.

His critics don't hate him. We have seen what it's like when people hate on DU, and it's not what Obama's getting now.

[Undercurrent]

40. Only a few.

The majority still post.

[Number23]

60. Good list but you forgot "Uncle Tom," "empty suit" and my personal favorite

a "lying, lightweight con man." And I'm pretty sure that only about 1/4 of the folks who said these things have been tombstoned.

By the way, I'm always absolutely baffled when a white person calls a black person something like an "Oreo" or an "Uncle Tom" as if they are in any way qualified to make that distinction...

[hileeopnyn8d]

34. I think you hit on something

that is the number one problem on DU. Revenge. It's all about revenge. And grudges.

Discussions, unless they are lockstep with whatever group happens to have the most people online at the moment, are few and far between.

I read a post here awhile back that I felt was very insightful, having to do with the breakdown of respect and civility at DU and online in general, I wish I had bookmarked it.

And I wasn't here before the election, at least not routinely, I did stumble in to read once in awhile, but there should have never been a thread on the greatest page with that title, and no one should have been calling Nancy Pelosi or anyone else a bitch. I disagree with you about DU not being "tough" on Obama, and I'm not sure what you're looking for, should there be more name calling?

[DevonRex]

19. And when people in those original threads attempted to point out that it was bullshit,

THEY were attacked. Goes both ways. Now that the FACTS are out, folks are pointing out that they were RIGHT, that the original artical was bullshit and shouldn't have been taken as gospel the way it was.

Some people will believe any two-bit "journalist" as long as they write anti-Obama shite. And that's a fact.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

47. I call BS on that. (nt)

[dmallind]

8. as long as doomers deny any good news is real, probably yes. NT

[phleshdef]

9. With all the unhinged, visceral nonsense attacking everything Pres. Obama does...

...then what the hell do you expect?

[DevonRex]

10. When the documented good news directly refutes false accusations

bought hook, line and sinker, right here on DU, then yes.

[RoadRage]

11. I honestly have absolutely no idea about what the heck you're trying to say..

I'm not sure if i'm "with ya" or "against ya". Your OP is confusing to say the least.

[dionysus]

13. translation; posting good news about obama pisses some off here, despite what they claim.

[RoadRage]

16. Ah.. well that I agree with entirely!

Some days i'm not sure which board i'm visiting.. DU or FR... 'cause I don't know who hates Obama more.

[dionysus]

17. then they'll claim with a straight face, despite the evidence of hundreds of posts, that they don't

hate his ass.

[DevonRex]

20. And that their motives are pure when they post uncorroborated BS as fact. nt

[dionysus]

22. why can't you have a rational discussion with me on how obama is just like hitler?

:P

[DevonRex]

24. Because he's STALIN, dammit!

:P :spank:

[RoadRage]

50. You both have it wrong.. he's worse the Stalin or Hitler.. he's just like "W"

OMG! :)

Cripes.. it's like people on this board forgot what the last 8 years were like.. if life still sucks for them it's because it takes time to fix things.. not that Obama's not TRYING to fix them. UGH!

[dionysus]

12. it's only a problem to bitter asses who get pissed when good news contradicts their meme obama is a

failure\terrorist\corporatist ect ect...

[Cha]

15. Maybe certain duers

shouldn't piss and moan while jumping the gun and it won't come back to bite their whiney ass.

[CakeGrrl]

18. "Punishment" is in the eye of the reader

If someone unrecs a fer-chrissakes photo thread because they can no longer stomach the sight of the President if he dares to smile or if someone actually smiles at him, or if the fact that he gets positive marks from any corner for one of his decisions bothers someone when that news is posted, then that's entirely their problem.

[dionysus]

23. ding

[Enrique]

25. maybe we've had enough photo threads

maybe the time for a lot of photo threads is passed.

[CakeGrrl]

26. "We've" had enough? As in, including you?

Don't view them, then. No one forces you to read every thread, nor is it a requirement.

Like any other administration, this one will be documented with photographs throughout the term. I think it's illogical and silly to suggest that people stop making note of them because it further upsets the discontented and angry. If their sensibilities are that delicate, that's again their problem.

[Enrique]

29. I know I have had enough

I don't unrec photo threads, and I actually like some of them, especially the ones with his family. But usually when I see them I think, are we still doing this?

I don't care one bit if other people continue to post them and enjoy them, but I also can totally see why someone would unrec a photo thread and it has nothing to do with not liking Obama.

[akbacchus_BC]

88. Then hide the effing photo threads if you do not care for them. Unlike

you, the President and his family are normal human beings and I for one (may I speak for some of us) love to see pictures of the first family. They bring a smile to my face amidst all the negativity against President Obama.

By the way, your OP is uncalled for and get this, am an Obamabot and proud!

Short of getting myself banned or warned, go away to some other site where you will be welcomed with your pessimistic attitude!

If you need some suggestions, just let me know!

[DevonRex]

27. And maybe you don't get to say what other people have had enough of.

And neither do the people who continually shit on those threads. Don't like 'em, don't read 'em. Pretty simple.

[spoony]

37. No, it's pretty clear.

Like, when someone posts a news story and includes their personal comments about the "haters" or whatever. That isn't subjective, that's just straight-up dickery.

[Undercurrent]

39. See my list posted above.

Haters? You bet. Those are sure hateful words. I would say that haters used those words.

[spoony]

42. And that's supposed to...what?

Prove that all of us who disagree with him hate him? I can't count how many times a poster has tried what you're trying, saying "well that one person, or those few people, said something terrible so it's totally ok to label people haters!" It's childish, and old. If you are really trying to tell me you haven't seen people called "haters" unjustly, then you're out to lunch. And the fact that you keep a list, and I'm sure a list of posters too, is also pretty schoolyard, don't you think?

[Enrique]

45. and all of DU came down on them

including critics of Obama. If I had seen those threads I would have been right there. It's a smear to call Obama critics haters, a total smear. Obama has tons of support here. The people that criticize him like him.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

46. It's going to make for a bitter time if we keep getting Obama=Bush threads. (nt)

[jgraz]

48. Even more bitter if they're true

Which many of them are.

[suzie]

51. Seems like that should be "truthy"--since many of those posting the anti-Obama stuff

are simply closeted Freepers.

[jgraz]

52. No, not really.

I know that would probably make you feel better to believe, but it's simply not true. Many of the people posting so-called "anti-Obama stuff" (a.k.a. participatory democracy) worked on Obama's campaign and donated to him.

The man has let us down. Simply noticing that difficult truth does not make one a "freeper".

[suzie]

53. And many of the people I worked with on the Obama campaign were there

because they were relieved that some Democrat had finally come forward who could manage an organization that could actually confront the Republican campaign organization and win.

They were sick to death of the so-called "progressives" who love to talk about their great philosophical ideas, especially those for the "poor". Except that these great so-called "progressives" could care less about getting anyone elected.

And have less ability to actually do it--because what they love is to do what the "DU trash Obama 24/7 crowd" does, talk, talk and more talk. Electing people--that's for others who've been corrupted by politics.

Now, I know there seems to be an overwhelmingly vocal group on "Democratic" Underground that would really rather lose every state and still talk about voting for Democrats,
but it's sometimes difficult to tell those from the actual Freepers, since their goal seems to be the same--Democrats don't win elections.

[jgraz]

58. Well, congratulations. You seem to have gotten what you worked for.

Who cares if Obama trashes the middle class and reneges on his campaign promises? He WON! Don't you feel great? The guy fucking us over has a 'D' after his name!!! Doesn't that make it feel soo much better?

:eyes:


When you have a free moment, look up the phrase "false dichotomy". It might help you figure out what's wrong with your post.

[suzie]

63. The definition of "winning" is not "whining" or

"join forces with the Grover Norquists of the world who've been trying for 30 years to destroy the Middle Class".

And I don't know, but do you really think that resorting to profanity or the oldie-but-goodie "false argument" theme is a really effective discussion strategy?

[jgraz]

69. Welcome to the internets. People swear.

If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't be here.

And, by the way, a little goddamn profanity is far less offensive than your skull-fucking of basic logic and reason.

[suzie]

70. Aw, I know that the 101st Keyboard Commandos do so love the

the false argument theme.

It's so much easier to level, "false argument", "ad hominem", "strawman", than to actually think or discuss the issues.

But it is interesting to watch how quickly the 24/7 anti-Obama crowd turns to profanity when any of their slender arguments are challenged.

[jgraz]

72. Yes, because asking you to follow basic rules of 9th grade logic is just too much to ask.

:eyes:

Really, just try to make a tiny bit of sense. That's all we ask.

[suzie]

84. I realize that I took Logic a really long time ago.

I didn't think it had changed so much. I don't recall that using logic meant--insult as many people as possible and defend racists.

But, hey, whatever, times change, I guess.

Politics, not so much.

[jgraz]

87. You could use a refresher course.

http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com

I don't recall that using logic meant--insult as many people as possible and defend racists.

While you're on the site, see if they have a course on hypocrisy. You might want to try to squeeze that in.

[AVID]

67. dang...I thought you were tombstoned..thats the word.

jgraz gets stage time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[jgraz]

68. Do you ever make any sense?

Huh?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

73. Bullshit.

Wake the fuck up.

[jgraz]

76. Oh, good one.

Your stellar command of logic and evidence has completely turned me around. :eyes:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

77. I see no reason to believe logic would ever change your mind in the first place.

You don't appear to run on any at all.

[jgraz]

78. Another good one.

:eyes:

You know, I don't mind being insulted, but unimaginative, hackneyed insults are a really a waste of time. At least put a tiny bit of thought into your responses. It's like you're not even trying.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

79. It's because I'm not trying. (nt)

[jgraz]

80. That's certainly one interpretation

However, the history of your posts suggests another conclusion.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

81. My history of posts suggests that I think little of you. (nt)

[jgraz]

82. Well, you certainly think little.

Really, is this the best you can do? Damn, nobody takes pride in their work anymore.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

83. LOL, keep trying to bait me.

You never seem to stop, no matter how fruitless it might get, and yet you still think you win. It's rather fascinating.

[jgraz]

85. I'm sure you're more than capable of baiting all on your own.

Which, really, is what most of your posts amount to.

[mkultra]

49. griefers only care about the negatives

so the answer is yes.

[depakid]

54. Maybe you could give an example of the "good news" that you're talking about?

Instead of simply question begging.

[AspenRose]

86. Winning a Nobel Peace Prize.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

55. Even when it is good news, it's still attacked by some people.

A recent thread about Obama funding a homeless-outreach program was criticized, for God's sake.

And any thread showing unemployment is eroding faster than previously thought is still attacked by the doom-and-gloomers.

Hell, Obama's even blamed for things he's not even responsible for. It's the knee-jerk responses that annoy the hell out of me, not the reasoned critiques of his policies, which are fine.

All I'm saying is if all you do (the general "you") is reply to a thread with "This isn't change!"/"DLC enabler"/"Corporate fascist"/"Terrorist", then you have abandoned all critical thought and would be better suited as a Sarah Palin follower.

[shadesofgray]

56. It's almost always the other way around, and holding Obama accountable is not "attacking" him.

[DevonRex]

59. And posting bullshit anti-Obama articles isn't constructive criticism.

It's just bullshit. And when the facts come out that disprove the bullshit we'll point it out, as in this case.

[arcadian]

62. What are the "bullshit anti-Obama articles"?

I've seen it suggested by the BOG that the entire MSM is anti-Obama. What else is there? You want only links to Whitehouse.gov, is that it?

[SpartanDem]

66. How about a recent example

Senate returning the nomination of Dawn Johnsen and other who were confirmed before the new years to Obama a very routine procedure turning into article him killing her nomination. Of course, the threads today about him renominating her are much quieter than vitriol filled of the original story.

[cliffordu]

57. Yep. The abuse will continue until attitudes improve.

Or, in the case of the haters, until we lock step with them.

[Cha]

65. lol..

I read that as "aptitude". :D

[bigwillq]

61. For the rest of mankind.

I wouldn't want it any other way on a discussion board. There's still a lot of love on here, in case you haven't noticed. But it's a discussion board. Good news is attacked. Bad news is attacked. Cool! :) That's when this site is the best!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

74. LOL. Good news = punishing the left? The "left" here sure seems to have a chip on it's shoulder.

[Kaleva]

75. Professional victims.

They ain't happy unless they feel they're being screwed.