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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:28 AM
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"This was the vision that shaped the President's address..."
This is based on the SOTU address.

Putting Washington at the Service of the Middle Class

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This was the vision that shaped the President's address, but this is not just a matter of rhetoric. The President made clear that there is tremendously busy agenda ahead for his second year – the policies and proposals below are just examples of the plans the President laid out in his address to put government to work for the middle class.

Here are a few initiatives you might have missed in the course of the speech:

  • The President called on the Senate to pass a financial reform package. “A strong, healthy financial market makes it possible for businesses to access credit and create new jobs. It channels the savings of families into investments that raise incomes. But that can only happen if we guard against the same recklessness that nearly brought down our entire economy.” Essential reforms include measures to protect consumers and investors from financial abuse; close loopholes, raise standards, and create accountability for supervision of major financial firms; restrict the size and scope of financial institutions to reign in excesses and protect taxpayers and address the ‘too big to fail’ problem; and establish comprehensive supervision of financial markets.

  • A vision for a clean energy economy. “…to create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, and more incentives.” We will build on the historic $80 billion investment made through the Recovery Act. The President’s vision includes investments in important technologies to diversity our energy sources and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, including: the renewal of our nation’s nuclear energy industry after a 30-year hiatus, cutting edge biofuel and clean coal technologies, and additional offshore oil and gas drilling. To fully transition to a clean energy economy and create millions of new American jobs, we must pass comprehensive energy and climate legislation to promote energy independence and address climate change.

  • The President will continue his push to invest in the skills and education of our people. “This year, we have broken through the stalemate between left and right by launching a national competition to improve our schools. And the idea here is simple: instead of rewarding failure, we only reward success... In this country, the success of our children cannot depend more on where they live than on their potential.” The Obama Administration supports a new vision for increasing student achievement, delivering opportunity, and supporting excellence in America’s public schools. The President’s 2011 budget supports a new framework for the Elementary and Secondary Education Act that will foster innovation, reward excellence, and promote reform in our schools, as well as invests an additional $1.35 billion to continue the historic Race to the Top program to open it up to districts in order to spur innovation and additional progress. At the same time, the Administration is moving to consolidate ineffective policies and practices. The President’s Budget eliminates six programs and consolidates 38 others into 11 new programs that emphasize using competition to allocate funds, giving communities more choices around activities, and using rigorous evidence to fund what works.

  • The President is committed to making college affordable for all Americans. “(I)n this economy, a high school diploma no longer guarantees a good job.” To increase college access and completion, the Administration will make student loans more affordable by limiting a borrower’s payments to 10 percent of his/her income and forgives remaining debt after 20 years – 10 years for public service works. We will also make permanent the American Opportunity Tax Credit. The President urges the Senate to pass the American Graduation Initiative, which invests more than $10 billion over the next decade in reforming our nation’s community colleges, promoting college completion, and moving toward the President’s goal of having the highest proportion of college graduates in the world by 2020. The President is also asking colleges and universities to do their share to make college affordable for all Americans cutting their own costs.

  • The President is making investments to ensure that the middle class benefits from this economic recovery. “(T)he price of college tuition is just one of the burdens facing the middle class. That's why last year I asked Vice President Biden to chair a task force on middle-class families.” The President has outlined immediate steps to reduce the strain on family budgets and help middle class families manage their child and elder care responsibilities, save for retirement and pay for college. He will double the child tax credit this year, make it easier to save for retirement with automatic IRAs for workers without access to existing retirement plans, provide larger tax credits to match retirement savings for millions of additional workers, and provide new safeguards to protect retirement savings.

  • Changing the way we do business. “To close that credibility gap we have to take action on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue to end the outsized influence of lobbyists; to do our work openly; to give our people the government they deserve.” The President has called for additional new lobbyist reforms, including enhanced disclosure of lobbyist contacts, strict campaign contribution limits by lobbyists, and a single earmark database, so American taxpayers find out what earmarks are being requested, and where their money is going.

  • Countering Citizens United. “I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities.” Last week’s Supreme Court Citizen’s United decision opens the floodgates to special interests and foreign countries and companies bankrolling national campaigns. The President called for bipartisan support for legislation that will remedy the Supreme Court’s unprecedented and troubling decision.

  • The President stands by military families. “Tonight, all of our men and women in uniform...have to know that they have our respect, our gratitude, our full support.” The President’s 2011 budget announces significant new investments, totaling more than $8 billion, and protections for our nation’s military families, including increased military pay and housing allowances, increased funding for family support programs, expanded availability of affordable, high-quality child care, the renovation or replacement of schools, and expanded and improved care for wounded, ill and injured service members.

  • The President is establishing a National Equal Pay Enforcement Task Force. “We're going to crack down on violations of equal pay laws -– so that women get equal pay for an equal day's work.” To make sure we uphold our nation’s core commitment to equality of opportunity, the Obama Administration is implementing an Equal Pay initiative to improve compliance, public education, and enforcement of equal pay laws. The Task Force will ensure that the agencies with responsibility for equal pay enforcement are coordinating efforts and limiting potential gaps in enforcement. The Administration also continues to support the Paycheck Fairness Act, and is increasing funding for the agencies enforcing equal pay laws and other key civil rights statutes.

  • Immigration reform. “And we should continue the work of fixing our broken immigration system - to secure our borders and enforce our laws, and ensure that everyone who plays by the rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nation.” The President is pleased Congress is taking steps forward on immigration reform that includes effective border security measures with a path for legalization for those who are willing to pay taxes and abide by the law. He is committed to confronting this problem in practical, effective ways, using the current tools at our disposal while we work with Congress to enact comprehensive reform.

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  • The President will fight to recover the money American taxpayers spent to bailout the banks. “To recover the rest, I've proposed a fee on the biggest banks. Now, I know Wall Street isn't keen on this idea. But if these firms can afford to hand out big bonuses again, they can afford a modest fee to pay back the taxpayers who rescued them in their time of need.” The President has proposed the Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee, which will require the largest and most highly leveraged Wall Street firms to pay back taxpayers and provide a deterrent against excessive leverage for the largest firms. The conservative estimate for the cost of TARP in the budget is $117 billion, but the Treasury Department expects it to be much less and the fee will be in place for a minimum of ten years or however long it takes to recoup every last penny to the American taxpayer.

  • The President recognizes that Small Businesses will be key to our nation’s economic recovery. “I'm proposing that we take $30 billion of the money Wall Street banks have repaid and use it to help community banks give small businesses the credit they need to stay afloat. I'm also proposing a new small business tax credit – one that will go to over one million small businesses who hire new workers or raise wages.” To get small businesses growing again, and growing our economy, the President has proposed a range of provisions that include tax incentives to spur investment; expanded access to capital and growth opportunities to create jobs; and increased support for entrepreneurship to foster innovation. He is proposing an employment tax credit for small businesses to encourage hiring, eliminating capital gains taxes on small business investments, extending enhanced small business expensing, and transferring $30 billion in resources from TARP to a new program to help community and smaller banks give small businesses the credit they need. The President and members of his Administration will announce additional details in the coming weeks.

  • The President reiterates his support for continued investment in our nation’s infrastructure. “Tomorrow, I'll visit Tampa, Florida, where workers will soon break ground on a new high-speed railroad funded by the Recovery Act. There are projects like that all across this country that will create jobs and help move our nation's goods, services, and information.” Through the Recovery Act, we made the largest investment in our nation’s infrastructure since President Eisenhower called for the creation of our national highway system over half a century ago. In his speech, the President announced funding to make a down-payment on a new nationwide high-speed rail system being built in-part with ARRA dollars.

  • Tax breaks to keep jobs at home. “(I)t’s time to finally slash the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas, and give those tax breaks to companies that create jobs right here in the United States of America.” The President has called for an end for tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas to help fund tax cuts – like making the R & E credit permanent – that reward companies for investing and creating jobs in the United States.

  • The President also called on the Senate to pass a jobs bill that he can sign. “The House has passed a jobs bill…. As the first order of business this year, I urge the Senate to do the same, and I know they will. People are out of work. They are hurting. They need our help. And I want a jobs bill on my desk without delay.” The bold and difficult steps the President took to stabilize the financial system have reduced the cost of TARP by more than $200 billion, providing additional resources for job creation and for deficit reduction. In December, the President outlined a package of targeted measures to help further stimulate private sector hiring, including measures to facilitate small business growth, green jobs and infrastructure. The House has passed strong legislation - it is time for the Senate to do the same.

  • We must invest in American ingenuity and innovation. “We need to encourage American innovation.” The Obama Innovation Agenda will get us closer to the President’s long-term goal of increasing combined private and public R&D investment to three percent of GDP. The Obama 2011 budget will move us closer to restoring America to first in the world in college completion; and invest in the next generation of scientists so we will not lag behind countries like China in science and engineering graduates. More details will be announced in the coming weeks.

  • We need to export more of our goods around the world. “We will double our exports over the next five years, an increase that will support two million jobs in America.” To meet this goal, we’re launching a National Export Initiative that will help farmers and small businesses increase their exports and expand their markets. Details will be announced in the coming weeks, but the NEI includes the creation of the President’s Export Promotion Cabinet and an enhancement of funding for key export promotion programs. We will work to shape a Doha trade agreement that opens markets and will continue to work with key allies like South Korea, Panama, and Colombia on trade agreements that provide real benefits to our workers. The President and members of his Administration will announce additional details in the coming week.

  • The President remains committed to helping Americans stay in their homes and help their homes retain their value. “… we’re working to lift the value of a family’s single largest investment – their home.” Last year, we took steps allowing millions of Americans to take out new loans and save an average of $1,500 per family on mortgage payments. This year, we will step up programs that encourage re-financing so that homeowners can move into more affordable and sustainable mortgages. In addition to the changes proposed last week to ensure sound risk management, the FHA is continuing to evaluate its mortgage insurance underwriting standards and its measures to help distressed and underwater borrowers through other FHA initiatives going forward. In order to ensure American families receive the same consideration American corporations do, the Obama Administration remains supportive of efforts to allow bankruptcy proceedings to renegotiate all debts, including home mortgages.

  • As Americans are getting their budgets in order, the President is getting the nation’s financial house in order. “Like any cash-strapped family, we will work within a budget to invest in what we need and sacrifice what we don’t.” The President has announced the three year, non-security discretionary spending freeze, and also called for a bipartisan Fiscal Commission to identify policies to improve the fiscal situation in the medium term and to achieve fiscal sustainability over the long run. The President and members of his Administration will announce additional details in the coming weeks.

  • The President’s focus on national security includes rooting out terrorists where they hide. “Since the day I took office, we have renewed our focus on the terrorists who threaten our nation. ” In the last year, hundreds of Al Qaeda’s fighters and affiliates have been captured or killed – far more than in 2008.

  • The President’s commitment to Non-Proliferation results. “Even as we prosecute two wars, we're also confronting perhaps the greatest danger to the American people - the threat of nuclear weapons.” The United States and Russia are completing negotiations on the farthest-reaching arms control treaty in nearly twenty years. He will also host a Nuclear Security Summit in April, which will bring forty-four nations together behind a clear goal: to secure all loose nuclear materials around the world in four years, so that they never fall into the hands of terrorists.

  • The President is launching a bioterror and pandemic threat initiative. “We are launching a new initiative that will give us the capacity to respond faster and more effectively to bioterrorism or an infectious disease - a plan that will counter threats at home and strengthen public health abroad.” The President called to action key U.S. Government leaders to re-design our medical countermeasure enterprise to protect Americans from bioterror or infectious health threats. We will pursue a business model that leverages market forces and reduces risk to attract pharmaceutical and biotechnology industry collaboration with the U.S. Government.

  • The President announced that he will work this year to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” “I will work with Congress and the military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are.”


Clear and to the point.


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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:39 AM
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1. Thanks, it's nice to see a facts based article
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:40 AM
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2. Not so clear
The President announced that he will work this year to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” “I will work with Congress and the military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are.”

He'll work this year, to pass it some time in the future, after the military gets a year to study it(start/finish date not exactly clear). Exactly what he means by "repeal" is worrisome since of course prior to DADT, they could investigate you for any reason, and force you to answer questions about your sexuality. Hope he does more than "repeal". Amnesty is going to be needed for those current members of the military who have being covering their orientation for the last couple of decades. They have probably been guilty of misrepresentations on various security forms. And there are signs the military wants to be able to segregate people at will. Especially with this president, the devil is in the details (like mandates and cadillac taxes).

Changing the way we do business. “To close that credibility gap we have to take action on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue to end the outsized influence of lobbyists; to do our work openly; to give our people the government they deserve.” The President has called for additional new lobbyist reforms, including enhanced disclosure of lobbyist contacts, strict campaign contribution limits by lobbyists, and a single earmark database, so American taxpayers find out what earmarks are being requested, and where their money is going.

I might suggest then that HE not sit down on day one with lobbiest from Big Pharma, the health insurance industry, and the for profit hospitals to draft up health insurance reform legislation, all the while keeping singly payer people out of the discussion at all. Just a thought.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:41 AM
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3. Well,
It certainly wasn't the rich who won WWII. It was the Middle class.

Screwing over the American middle class as has been going on for 30 years, has to end.

I think the teabaggers understand the rich stole half their wealth, they just don't want the government giving away the rest to the poor.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:46 AM
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4. "I think the teabaggers understand the rich stole half their wealth...
they just don't want the government giving away the rest to the poor."

You're right, but they also don't seem to care that the rich stole their wealth. They continue to vote to allow Republicans to do just that.

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:57 AM
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5. K&R!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:58 AM
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6. I'd call that a liberal agenda
And look, the president is PROGRESSING that agenda instead of demanding liberal ideological purity and gaining nothing.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:05 AM
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7. It's smoke and mirrors...
In writing this agenda looks liberal, but every step of the way the president panders and caves to corporations and Republicans so that the resulting legislation fails to upset the status quo in meaningful ways. Healthcare rewards big pharma and the insurance companies rather than offering the public option that's essential for real change. Cap and trade creates a new market for corporate criminals to manipulate - and on and on and on.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:09 AM
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8. Ah, dogmatic liberal purity tests
How regressive of you.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:12 AM
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10. Yeah, the "purity test" is to upset the corporate/Republican status quo...
Sorry that's too much for you.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:19 AM
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16. No, that purity test insures nothing progresses
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:20 AM by WeDidIt
That's a regressive stance.

Dogmatism is a regressive conservative value.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:22 AM
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18. Any piece of shitty legislation does not equal "progress" - though this admin...
...would like us to think so.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:26 AM
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20. Keep on digging your dogmatic hole
You reveal your Regressive nature whenyou do so.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:27 AM
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22. Keep burying your head in the sand - it amuses me! nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:37 AM
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26. Dogmatism is a regressive value. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:12 AM
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9. "In writing this agenda looks liberal, but every step of the way the president panders and caves"
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:13 AM by ProSense
Yeah, the agenda that "looks liberal" and produces the desired outcomes should be overlooked in favor of rhetoric that claims "every step of the way the president panders and caves to corporations and Republicans."

President Obama is one of the most effective and progressive President this country has known. That is why his critics can only cite FDR and LBJ in attempts to belittle his efforts.

Yes, I said progressive. He also knows how to get things done.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:13 AM
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11. Problem is, he doesn't get "progressive legislation" done. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:14 AM
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12. Yeah,
health care reform, student loan reform and up coming financial reform and climate change legislation are so Bush/Cheney.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:17 AM
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13. Healthcare "reform" that rewards big pharma and the insurance companies...
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:17 AM by polichick
...without offering citizens a public option is NOT progressive legislation, and "climate change" legislation that creates yet another market for corporate criminals to manipulate is NOT progressive legislation - WAKE UP!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:18 AM
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14. Tired stale arguments that have no basis in facts.
More nonsensical rhetoric.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:19 AM
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15. More blind propaganda describes most of your posts imo. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:22 AM
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17. "Parents Of Autistic Children Say Health Reform Should Help Them "
Parents Of Autistic Children Say Health Reform Should Help Them

The Dallas Morning News: Parents and families of autistic children and adults are hoping that the federal health law will help them. "The new federal regulations will prohibit spending caps, prevent insurers from excluding pre-existing conditions and behavioral health care, and extend dependent care to age 26. The rules are potentially good news for families struggling with costly treatments that can blur the line between medical and educational expenses and don't end with childhood."

"Wendy Fournier, president of the National Autism Association, said autism is a medical condition and insurance companies should cover treatments such as applied behavior analysis, or ABA, which involves tutors who try to change behavioral patterns." The paper quotes White House spokesman Nick Papas: "For too long, children with pre-existing conditions have been locked out of the insurance market, and too many parents have spent sleepless nights wondering how their children will get the care they need" (Mueller, 5/11).


That's not rhetoric.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:24 AM
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19. The Dogmatists wouldn't know progressive if it bit them in the ass
Sadly, DU has it's share of Regressives posting since dogmatism is a regressive value.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:27 AM
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21. A few good things in a bill does not erase the giant hand-outs to industry...
It's obscene that we pay what we do for drugs because this admin. cut a deal with big pharma. It's obscene that this admin. took single payer off the table before negotiations even began, and never fought for a game-changing public option.

You can spin all you want to, it's smoke and mirrors.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:35 AM
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25. "A few good things in a bill..."
What's obscene is watching people trying to spin significant progress as failure.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:55 AM
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It's the dogmatic thing to do.
And dogmatism is a regressive value.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:12 PM
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46. WeDidIt, you learned a new word :thumbsup:
Good on you.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:02 AM
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51. Thank you!
:applause:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:24 PM
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55. Provided, of course, that the parents can afford insurance
that doesn't have out of pocket costs that are so high they still can't access care.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:57 PM
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45. this is the stale argument


"health care reform, student loan reform and up coming financial reform and climate change legislation are so Bush/Cheney."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:47 PM
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47. Yeah,
those are laws and proposals I largely made up. They don't really exists.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:18 PM
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48. the point made by the previous poster
was that none of the legislation passed was particularly "progressive".

To which you dragged out the tired old Bush/Cheney line, as if that was an actual response.

Which it wasn't.


Not that anyone really expected something other than a non sequitur from you...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:30 PM
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49. "none of the legislation passed was particularly 'progressive'"
The student loan reform bill wasn't progressive? Really?

The health care bill was a one-hundred year goal, finally achieve by President Obama.

There is President Obama, and then there are his predecessors: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman and FDR.

There are few pieces of major legislation that rival the laws that President Obama has achieved and is poised to achieve.

Say anything, but that is a fact.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:29 AM
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23. And there you have it. NT
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:34 AM
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24. Unfortunately his rhetoric, which looks and sounds great, doesn't match...
...the deals he cuts.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:38 AM
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27. Sadly, if you'd only warned us earlier....
... you could have prevented us from going down this slippery slope.

Maybe next time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:41 AM
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28. Actually, our choice came down to corporate candidate #1 and...
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:41 AM by polichick
corporate candidate #2 - all we can do is refuse to be fooled by rhetoric that doesn't match actions.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:43 AM
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29. and why was that?
why didn't we have better choices?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:45 AM
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30. imo because too many Democrats believe that Republican-lite is the only way to go...
Just like too many Democrats watch Republican-lite actions and call them "progressive."
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:47 AM
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31. So what do we need to do to make sure a more progressive candidate is electable next time?
Edited on Wed May-12-10 11:54 AM by Clio the Leo
There was a time when I thought it was impossible for an African American to become President because too many people thought white was the only way to go.

We are Americans and we are Democrats ... WE can do anything we want as long as WE get off of our butts and do it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:55 AM
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33. I guess we have to get behind a true progressive and stick with him/her...
...no matter what the Democratic establishment says. People were scared away from Howard Dean once the Clintons and others turned on him - that's too bad because he truly wanted to upset the corporate status quo.

imo this is a critical time for Democrats - may be time for a third party to arise from progressives and others who have had enough of the two corporate parties.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:57 AM
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35. Exactly .... WE are this party .... not the powers that be.
And, IMO, if the powers that be aren't listening to the people, it's because the people are silent.

Who's shouting louder, us or the teabaggers?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:00 PM
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36. Wish Obama cared what progressives said as much as the right...
...cares about what teabaggers say - but then, he's sure we'll stick with him no matter what. That's what has to change.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:49 PM
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38. It's not wise to ruin a good argument with hyperbole...
.... the President doesn't care about what the teabaggers say, you and i both know that. He cares about what the MIDDLE thinks, but politicians have no choice, there are too many Americans in the middle and you HAVE to have them in order to win.

Where the left has dropped the ball is thinking that our work was done when the President was elected. For the most part, we've sat on our hands while the teabaggers organized, called, wrote and out worked us. The President doesn't listen to them, but the Republicans and some of the Blue Dogs do. And we need all of the Blue Dogs and some of the Republicans to get anything done.

If Congress doesn't think "America wants" more progressive legislation because we progressives aren't being vocal (or generous) enough ... that's not their fault. It's ours.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:37 PM
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40. That's ridiculous. First, I didn't say Obama cares what teabaggers think...
...please read more carefully.

And second, the left has been protesting every single time the president panders/caves to Republicans and corporations - individually and through many organizations, endlessly. This prez considers it a badge of honor if the left is upset.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:01 PM
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41. Ah, you're correct....
... was heading out the door when i read that the first time. ;)

Please forgive.

How much money did the supporters on the left raise for .... well .... any candidate they support recently? During the last week of the Brown/Coakley race, the teabaggers were "money bombing" him with $1 million a day.

We've been out maneuvered, pure and simple. And, with all due respect, any claim that the left has been AS active as the teabaggers have been is a bit disingenuous .... however I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:16 PM
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42. Well, there is one thing the teabaggers do that we (so far) haven't been willing to...
...and that is to say we won't vote for leaders who only pay lip service to our issues.

We really do have many more organizations fighting for civil rights, the environment, etc. than the teabaggers have fighting for anything, but I guess we need to say that unless Obama decides he does care about the left we simply won't vote for him in 2012.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:38 PM
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43. Well, with the possible exception of SEIU, those organizations...
... are doing a pretty p** poor job. I eat, sleep and breathe politics, as do you, and that's the ONLY organization I can cite who's actually done anything .... MAYBE Moveon ... but I'm not sure they do anything other than make commercials. Who am I missing?

I'm a Democrat .... I have a telephone .... lots of organizations have my email addy .... but the ONLY way I know to call my Congressmen is when I get an email from the teabaggers .... of course I then call and ask for the OPPOSITE of what they're pushing.

Oh ... and Mitch Stewart ... but that goes without saying.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:51 PM
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44. Actually, these groups are very busy - I've taken action hundreds of times this month alone...
...as part of email campaigns to contact the WH, Senators, Congresspeople, newspapers, etc. on behalf of progressive issues.

This week I've heard from the National Resources Defense Council, Sierra Club, Environmental Defense Action Fund, Earthjustice, Defenders of Wildlife, MoveOn, Wilderness Society, League of Conservation Voters, and Repower America - mostly about contacting officials about the Gulf oil disaster.

Thankfully, I've never heard from a teabagger - yikes!
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:32 PM
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54. Speak for yourself. He will be the Democratic candidate in 2012,
I'm on the left, and I will vote for him. I guess it's ok with you if Palin or Romney or Bush *** gets in, as long as you can show how pissed off you are at Obama. Thanks for nothing.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:02 PM
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37. "People were scared away from Howard Dean once the Clintons and others turned on him" Laughable.
Howard Dean a progressive hero? Howard Dean for most of his political career was a moderate. He ran the DNC and most of the candidates he threw its support behind were not progressives.

An Open Letter to Howard Dean

People like to deal in fantasy.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:51 PM
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39. Oooops.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:57 AM
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34. Complain
and everytime a Democrat is elected and has to govern instead of sitting around, complain some more.

When Kucinich decided to vote for the health care package, he came to the conclusion that thin air isn't progress.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:54 AM
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32. So your opinion was formed before the election
and you're whining as if you're suprised?

I smell BS.

"all we can do is refuse to be fooled by rhetoric that doesn't match actions."

More drivel.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:00 AM
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52. I've got to give Obama credit.
He sure can deliver a speech.
Delivering on promises in the speeches is the problem.



"I did not campaign on a Public Option."

"Wall Street IS Main Street."

"I did not have sex with THAT woman."
Oops.
My bad.
That wasn't Obama.
That was the 2nd Best Republican President Ever.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:23 PM
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53. Kick n/t
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