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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:49 PM
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Jobless Aid Measure Dying In Senate


By ANDREW TAYLOR
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republicans in the Senate appear likely to kill legislation to provide continued unemployment checks to millions of people and provide states with billions of dollars to avert layoffs.

It would be a bitter defeat for President Barack Obama and Capitol Hill Democrats, who have been trying to advance the measure for months as an insurance policy against a double-dip recession.

Despite another round of cuts to the measure aimed at pacifying GOP deficit concerns, the measure seems doomed to die by a filibuster in a vote expected as early as Thursday.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he would pull the measure from the floor if Democrats lose the vote. Democrats hope that political pressure from voters and business groups might eventually revive the measure.

The latest version of the measure contains a variety of provisions sought by lawmakers in both parties, blending jobless aid averaging about $300 a week with the renewal of dozens of tax cuts sought by business groups and a host of other legislation. It is considerably smaller than a version that passed with GOP help just three months ago.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_SPENDING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-06-24-13-38-47
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:01 PM
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1. Well, this is the kind of crap that happens when the Republicans are the majority party.
Until the Democrats get the majority in the Senate, the Republicans call all the shots. :(

Uh...wait a minute... :(
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 05:01 PM
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11. We have wrangled every Democrat in the Senate, but Republicans
are insisting on using the filibuster as a political cudgel to stop any bills that help people.

What do you suggest Reid, Durbin, and Schumer do? They have no sway over the Republicans.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 05:25 PM
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12. MAKE THEM FILIBUSTER!
For Fucks Sake already! I want the goddamn GOP filibustering jobless benefits from now until November!

What the fuck is wrong with Harry Reid? Dumbass? Coward? Corrupt?
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:04 PM
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2. They can place blame on the repubs all they like, but
the Dems are just as much to blame.

The Dems care no more for the suffering of the jobless than the fat cat corporations that created this unemployment mess. Weak democratic leadership is the bigger culprit, IMO.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:27 PM
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4. Not true - you need 60 votes to pass this
That is the Senate rules. Read this Daily Kos diary - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/20/876730/-Filibuster-reform:-you-need-it-every-day


Well, let's start with the reason it didn't pass before Memorial Day as originally planned. The House took care of its part just before the holiday, and sent it on to the Senate. And as I said, you'd normally see a bill like this pass pretty quickly. But the political calculus of the Republicans is that any legislation passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by a Democratic President is a "win" for the Ds, and in their zero-sum world, therefore a "loss" for the Rs. And they can't have that. Or at least won't allow it without a fight. So they fight tooth and nail to delay and derail everything they can. Even if they can't ultimately kill a bill, delaying it gives them a chance to snipe at it, and as a consolation prize, deride the Democratic Congress as dithering and indecisive. How's that strike you, by the way? Criticizing Dems in Congress as slow to act... for having had to wade through the procedural slog of shutting down Republican filibusters, of all things!

So when this bill made its way to the Senate just ahead of the scheduled Memorial Day recess, the Republicans needed only to find some sort of excuse for throwing the roadblock of the filibuster up in its path. So they went with the old standby of being "deficit hawks" (despite having been noticeably AWOL on that score with regards to, oh, say... eight continuous years of off-budget war). Truthfully, it hardly matters whether there's an actual reason behind a filibuster. After all, it's been ages since a filibuster was actually about the thing which is supposed to literally define what a filibuster is -- that is, "extended debate." When was the last time you saw any of the people who insisted on voting against cloture actually show up to listen to and participate in extended debate?

At any rate, the fact is that the mere threat of a filibuster -- especially when the Senate is heading into a holiday recess -- is often enough to derail a bill temporarily. That's because even a bill that has overwhelming support in the Senate, and has more than enough Senators willing to vote for cloture, still has to actually go through the torturous and time-wasting process of invoking cloture. These days, Republican obstructionists are routinely filibustering even the motion to proceed to consideration of a bill, meaning they're filibustering the question of whether or not the Senate should even begin debate!

That means that getting to a vote on the tax extenders bill, even if you have 60+ votes ready to go, means filing a cloture motion (along with a petition signed by 16 Senators, which is never a problem), but then waiting for a full calendar day to pass after the day on which you filed the motion. Then, after one hour of session has elapsed on the second calendar day following the filing, your cloture motion is "ripe" for consideration. But remember, even if you trounce the opposition, all cloture gets you is the right to end debate... after another 30 hours of it! So now you've spent about a day and a half to get to your cloture vote, won the vote, but may have to sit by for another 30 hours before you ever get to actually vote on whether or not -- get this -- to begin debate on the bill!


Note that is just the process to open up the discussion on the bill - he goes on to explain that there is a cloture vote to close the debate before you vote. This happens both on the Senate bill and on the "conference" bill.

So, where they are now - they need to get 2 more votes that get 60. In the last vote we didn't have Lieberman or Ben Nelson (and Byrd did not vote - likely because Reid knew the count.)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:06 PM
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3. It's way past time to change the filibuster rules.
If the Republicans and those Democrats who vote with them want to filibuster they should have to stand up and talk non-stop not just cast a vote to not act on a bill. That would also make the obstructionists more visible to the public.
Allowing the minority to run the Senate is bullshit.



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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:28 PM
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5. Definately - The Republicans have perfected using them to obstruct.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:29 PM
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6. Recommend
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:33 PM
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7. Of course it's the stupid fillibuster, but to the average voter they don't understand all these
senate rules and look at the Democrats as the majority and will blame them. Dems need to begin putting pressure on the GOP. Obama should hold a press conference in prime time and explain in an opening statement what republicans are doing and urge people to contact their senators.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 05:49 PM
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13. They HAVE been putting pressure on the gop...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8628486

Stabenow: Republicans in ‘Cynical Game’ to Crater Economy by Stopping Jobs Bill

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On Republican obstruction:

It’s an extremely maddening and concerning time right now, and frankly we need your help. We’re in a situation where, after spending at least eight weeks on the floor trying to pass this jobs bill, which focuses on creating jobs as well as helping people … not one Republican is willing to help us stop this Republican filibuster.

We’ve spent a tremendous amount of time and discussions to get just one person to join us. And we don’t have that. So, we will be voting again today to stop the filibuster and we have every anticipation that we won’t have the votes.

It is very clear that the Republicans in the Senate want this economy to fail. They see that things are beginning to turn around. You know the numbers. When this president took office, we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. … Now we are gaining jobs. … Unfortunately, and cynically {on their part}, in cynical political terms, it doesn’t serve them in terms of their elections if things are beginning to turn around.

I believe when you look at this bill, which is all paid for — we raised revenues to pay for it — the one piece that is technically not paid for that is done in a way that we have always done it, … {those are} always categorized as an emergency. And, frankly, if 15 million people without jobs is not an emergency, I don’t know what is.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:34 PM
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8. Are we the people doing anything about this?
Are we faxing, calling, and emailing?

Most likely not enough of us are......
and so, because we sit by and do nothing,
nothing will be done.

We can't leave anything up to the senate....
cause that doesn't seem to work.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 04:50 PM
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9. You are correct, Frenchie Cat, but it seems people
are more willing to point out the veracity, or lack thereof, of comments made about the weakness of Democrats rather than contact the senate critters to demand action.

Thinning and proving online is far more preferable--and much easier--than doing what you suggest. But whatever. As a long-term unemployed who has exhausted all benefits and who has been without income for months, I've been on the phone and emailing letters and faxing for well over a year now as the fight for extensions and job creation bills have been ongoing. I've written the president, spoken to senate aides countless times--some know my voice and I theirs, sent my story to the Ways and Means committee for the record, been on national news broadcasts several times, been quoted in several major newspapers, spoken several times on Ed Schultz's radio show, blah blah blah. I blame both parties based on my experience in the unemployeds' fight for survival. All while constantly tweaking my resume, performing a daily job search, including networking as much as possible, sending out 100s of CVs, and trying to survive without cash. ITA that if more employed people were involved as you suggest, there would be more positive action in both houses of Congress from both parties. It is easy and convenient to point out the repubs' reprehensible behavior. However, 3 fingers are pointing back at the Dems when they point at the other party.

But, hey, what do I know?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 04:52 PM
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10. Jesus fucking Christ, they can't DO this.
It's a stake through the heart of millions of unemployed Americans. How can these people be so goddamn heartless?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 05:58 PM
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14. Easy, they are Republicans. Just in their nature. Time to reform the filibuster already.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 06:00 PM
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15. THIS is the issue the Dems should run on!
Between this and sticking up for BP, we should be able to win big in November IF the Dems play their cards right (or left ;))
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