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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:19 AM Original message |
A wise man does not bite off more than he can chew... |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. "He has chosen his meal in small portions" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. OTOH, by not taking a healthier chunk he's left the base malnourished. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That is the other side of the coin... |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. You have to be realistic about what could get passed through Congress. Congress has blocked Gitmo |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I'll give him a touch of slack on Gitmo |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Did Obama fight for either? "Congress" means "the Senate", and |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It is obvious that he didn't have 60 votes in the Senate. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Actually it's not |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Not pulling them out of my ass - pulling them out of recalcitrant fucking blue dogs. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. "Don't COUNT the votes - CREATE the votes. " |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. "Democrats had an effective filibuster-proof majority for about 14 weeks." |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. He did nada for those first 11 months. He did nada on HCR until AFTER |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. "He did nada for those first 11 months" I guess |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Right. He barnstormed the country, arguing for all of those. |
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USArmyParatrooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. How many links do you want? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. The President was holding town hall style meetings all over the nation |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Are these the "major bills"? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Don't fault the President for your faulty memory |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. It hasn't been determined that it is faulty,... yet. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
83. So you're saying if he "simply signed" anything into law, including |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
82. Wouldn't you then be saying he sold out to Ben Nelson? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
88. Well said: |
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USArmyParatrooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Usually when you make wild speculations you should say, "in my opinion" |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
89. The fight is what we didn't get. The fight is what I voted for. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
92. "Unrealistic expectations is a big part of the problem." |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
77. Once again claiming the base is something other than what it is |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. I was listening to talk radio yesterday, and the liberal host put it this way..... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. He's on the wrong track |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I disagree....... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The plan obstructs universal health care |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Obama didn't run on Universal Health Care....... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. He didn't run on obstructing it either. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Politics is the art of the possible, |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Compromise isn't going backwards |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I see that you keep stating your opinion as though they were facts. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. But I support them with facts |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. No. You support them with negative opinions as to what others should have done. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Which facts were wrong? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
95. Pretty much everything you say? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Which is peachy, so long as it is only progressives who do the compromising. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Can progressives pass legislation on their own? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Not with the White House working against them. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Not ever, unless you think there are 50 or more progressives in the Senate. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You're probably right |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
85. Zipplewrath, I wonder why some people deny the facts |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
97. You are so VERY fucking funny. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
90. He did run on controlling costs, |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
94. He's doing good by me |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. So it's "I got mine, Jack, so fuck you all"? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. He's doing good by me |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not exactly |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. you say...."The change that has been achieved is nice. " |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Actually, he's done very little |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Zipplewrath = Glass half empty |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I notice you avoid details |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I notice you avoid the obvious...like having to first get to the station |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. for how long |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. He gave us more than I was expecting.... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Well, that's fine |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Yep. He hasn't been perfect. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Actually I focus on the difference between the promise and the product |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. I'm glad history will shit all over that opinion. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. We will see |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. "So far, we have seen two years of incremental change"? Want to see incremental? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. Ah, yes, the SS strawman. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Strawman? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Well, we have some ideas |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. health care reform would have a transformative effect on this country. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Well said! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. "SS WAS change." |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Merely a modification of the status quo |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. "Merely a modification of the status quo" |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. That's a modification of the private insurance model |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. What? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. It's not single payer |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. "in the national sense"? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No, it's not |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. "You see, the power of single payer on a national scale is the ability to control the health CARE.." |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And they contorl the entire market |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. "a singular state has trouble particularly dominating the market, especially in smaller states" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. the HCR was a major change, creating what did not previously exist |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. Oh, and btw, it was not the FDIC that prevented a new depression for |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. "I haven't noticed Obama doing anything about restoring Glass-Steagal" |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. Agreed |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. Yes yes, you are correct, |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. The problem with this argument is that we have just come |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Bingo |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. No, it does seem like much. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. The healthcare bill has been a failure. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. The GOP campaigns on it, the dems avoid it. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. "most people hate it, according to polls" |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
87. You're citing an ins. company poll? LOL LOL! nt |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. flat out untrue |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
86. ^ Exactly. ^ |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
80. Defending? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. I hope you're right |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
91. But what if the item being chewed in little pieces is poison? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. Good post |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
96. Not so positive as you, Kentuck...but One More Time...we need to Vote Dem...! |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I understand what you are saying. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Perhaps.... |
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