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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:04 PM
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Obama's biggest mistake is allowing Tim Kaine to stay at the DNC
It amazes me that he still has a job. I thought he would be gone after Scott Brown.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:05 PM
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1. if that is his biggest he is really doing well!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:07 PM
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2. No kidding!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:20 PM
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6. That makes him 0 for 1 in the Senate.
We did fare better in House special elections, though. Lost a seat, gained a seat & held six.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_elections_to_the_111th_United_States_Congress
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:16 PM
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3. Tim is doing a fine job. He's not Howard Dean, but really
there is only ONE Howard!
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:06 PM
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31. Tim Kaine is a bigot.
He opposes same-sex marriage and even civil unions. He should have never had the position.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:17 PM
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4. "I thought he would be gone after Scott Brown. "
You mean the election where some people thought they would teach the Democrats a lesson, some even voting for Brown?

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:18 PM
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5. Please try harder.
You can do better than this.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:43 PM
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7. I think Kaine is doing just fine. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:07 PM
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34. me too
:fistbump:
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 12:16 AM
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36. Yeah! Failure is cool!
If he was doing "fine", we would be talking about how many seats the Dems were going to pick up-not how many they are going to lose.

It is low expectations like yours, that doom the democrats to mediocrity at best.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:53 PM
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8. there are plenty who need to go also
One heck of a job Timmeh
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 02:53 PM
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9. This guy is a dope. They should never have let Dean go.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 02:56 PM
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10. Not really fond of Kaine but Dean decided to go, all by himself.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:08 PM
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11. sssshh, we are not supposed to mention that fact, it gets in the way of complaining :) n/t
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:04 PM
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26. well, truth be told, the heat he was getting
from axelrod, Rahm, and other brain rusts in the incoming admin helped him decide. After all, they were screwing with him even before November, attacking him at every opportunity.

Dean left because he did not want a major fight with the new admin. He did the honorable thing, something I cannot say about Rahm or Axelrod.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:49 PM
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28. I'd like to see proof of this, please. As in specific articles where Dean talks
about being pressured out of a job rather than choosing to leave voluntarily because he didn't want to be a figurehead.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:27 PM
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12. Out of the 3 most recent DNC chairs I don't know what skill Kaine brings to the
table. I mean MCAuliff(SP?)was famous for raising money. Dean had the 50 state strategy. Kaine has lost races and re-designed the party logo. That's just sad.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 12:53 PM
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14. he brings his reputation as a Homphobe
as his record as Gov of VA clearly shows
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:28 PM
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13. Sigh.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 12:57 PM
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15. This is such a helpful post
Not.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 01:04 PM
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16. Sorry for the obligatory civics lesson, but...
The DNC Chair is a powerless figurehead whose only job is raise money when the party controls the White House.
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:13 PM
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17. Well, Rahm's not around any longer to blame.
Got to blame someone.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:17 PM
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18. Who decides who has that job?
What if the President is Republican? Then who decides?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:50 PM
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20. The DNC members technically select the Chairman
But when the President is a Democrat, they always vote for whomever the President recommends. When there is a Republican President there is a competitive election process.

Also, when the President is a Democrat the DNC Chair is a powerless figurehead. The actual decision making is done by David Axelrod and other members of the White House political team.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 08:18 PM
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19. Yawn. nt
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:02 AM
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21. We all agree, Kaine sux! Sadly, at least for the last 2 years, he fit the desired theme..so...
in that regard, he was the perfect choice.
I doubt you will ever get someone as strong as Dean to replace Kaine since it is clear that Dean goes against the establishment and that is not good for business.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:06 AM
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22. Obama can choose the head of the DNC?! n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:17 AM
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23. I kinda liked it when Kaine compared the Chamber of Commerce to Watergate.
That was good...he showed that he just might have some cajones after all.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:26 AM
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24. LeftyAndProud....and NeedingCivicsLesson

The President doesn't "select" the DNC chair, and he is only one vote out of many in deciding who fills that role.


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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:59 PM
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25. Actually, he does...
When the party doesn't control the White House there is a competitive election process for the job and the DNC members vote to decide who gets it. When the party controls the White House, the committee members always vote for whomever the President recommends for the job. The role of the chair is also severely diminished because strategy decisions are made by White House political advisors rather than the DNC.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:28 PM
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33. !!!
:spray:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:48 PM
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27. If you're going to blame Tim Kaine for Scott Brown
rather than the person who DESERVES the blame (i.e. Martha Coakley and her braindead campaign advisors) then I don't know what to tell you.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:43 PM
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29. Is this the 151st version of "Obama's biggest mistake?" nt
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:53 PM
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30. NO
POTUS biggest mistake was 1) picking Summers et al. whcih resulted in a no strings attached bailout. If the bailout has strings attached, there probably is no astroturf tea party in the picture at all this year; 2) picking Rahm which resulted in the health care fiasco. If health care had become bill it had the potential to be, we have much greater, ummmm "enthusiasm." Tim Kaine is way down the list of mistakes IMHO
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:28 PM
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32. bless your little heart for trying so very hard.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:44 PM
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35. So if the Republicans win big, it's because Michael Steele is RNC chair?
Examine your logic. It could use some retuning.
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