Go Left Young Man!

[Dinger]

I'm talking to you Mr. President.:patriot:

[FrenchieCat]

1. LOL!

or else. :rofl:

[Clio the Leo]

2. OR WE'RE GONNA PRIMARY EVERYONE!!!!

.... whatever kid.

[FrenchieCat]

4. That would be so much fun!

and will teach somebodies some bigtime lesson and shit!
Can't wait! :bounce:

[Clio the Leo]

CAUSE THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE NATION!!!!

.... and tonight is PROOF OF IT!!!!

Yall ALL need to put your conciliatory pants on ... RIGHT NOW!!!! (I actually mean this part.)

[brentspeak]

9. So if you're not a progressive, what are you doing here on this website?

[FrenchieCat]

10. I was going to ask you the same thing?

The negativity that you have posted day after day for the past
so many months has ramifications too. If you think that some folks
didn't feed the "I'm disappointed" mood for this election since day one,
you're not being honest. Well, you got what you aimed for.....
so this has got to be a good night for you.

[Clio the Leo]

11. or the more important question, why isn't everyone in the US on this website?

yes, they SHOULD be, but they aren't (BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL PROGRESSIVES)

[Ter]

17. This board is only for progressives?

Gee, I thought it was a broad tent for all Democrats.

[KossackRealityCheck]

26. Jesus on a stick! Being progressive does not mean

thinking delusionally that the entire country or electorate is progressive.

Pointing out that America is not the progressive left blogosphere does not mean a person is not progressive.

My mind reels at some of this shit.

[brentspeak]

27. Trouble reading? Comprehension problem?

My post questioned the "progressiveness" of someone who actually thinks that Democrats should become more "conciliatory" when dealing with the corporate-sponsored RW mob that is today's Republican party. My post didn't make any other assertions. Thanks.

[Kdillard]

3. Are you serious with that nonesense?

[Number23]

5. What is with you guys?

The President is viewed by the American public as TOO LIBERAL. What happened tonight is ENTIRELY consistent with that.

You guys saying that this happened because the president is "too far to the right" or "Republican lite" could not have missed the point any more if you had tried.

[brentspeak]

8. What part of "enthusiasm gap" don't you understand?

With a crappy, watered-down gift to the insurance industry HCR and absolutely no real political strategy other than "But we're not as bad as the GOP!", Obama and the Democratic leadership sucked all the life out of any base enthusiasm it had two years ago.

FDR's New Deal was a policy that Americans of all stripes could readily understand and like and rally around; the Frankenstein corporate monster that is Obama's HCR is a policy that few understand, fewer like, and even fewer can rally around.

When even your own base can't rally around your flagship domestic effort, you know you don't know what you're doing.

[Number23]

12. Do you have any proof to support your statement that Dem turnout was low?

Didn't the polls just close? How the hell do you already conclude that it was the fault of the Dem base because they didn't turn out?

[brentspeak]

13. Read the post again

I wrote that Obama and the Democratic leadership sapped the Democratic base's enthusiasm, not that the Democratic base is at fault for the losses due to low turnout. By the contrasting example of FDR's New Deal, I'm saying that if even a President's own base is unenthusiastic or hostile about his (and his party's) efforts, that should go double for the rest of the nation. We're seeing that take place right now.

[Number23]

14. The only logical conclusion to a "sapped base" is a reduction in turnout.

Do you have anything to support that there was low Dem turnout in this election?

[brentspeak]

15. Yes

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/borys/?p=1197">Even in Philly, turnout is low

Now you can provide support for you contention that voters chose GOP candidates over the Democrats because the American public views Obama as too liberal.

[Number23]

16. Philadelphia is one city, in one state out of the entire country

If you don't have any evidence to support your statement that Dem turnout was low, just freaking admit it. I won't bother sitting around waiting for your proof.

And here's your evidence that the public views Obama and the Dems as too liberal.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/27/Polls-Show-Voters-Think-Democrats-Are-Too-Liberal
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100614/pl_ynews/ynews_pl2586
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121307/more-americans-see-democratic-party-too-liberal.aspx

"Polls show that respondents ‘don’t know what the president believes in’. An astonishing 55 per cent of Americans brand him a ‘socialist’, and a majority say he is ‘too liberal’. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1325751/Midterm-elections-Obama-doesnt-share-Americans-core-values.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz14CIbr4TO

"Obama splits the country almost exactly in two; and nearly half now say he's too liberal" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/barack-obama-poll-numbers-down-cnn.html (and this is from January)

"Americans See Obama as Too Liberal" http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2010/09/17/americans_see_obama_as_too_liberal_241958.html

You're welcome.

[brentspeak]

24. Either answer my question or pester someone else who actually gives a damn

I knew you weren't going to respond to my post in good faith as it was written (no surprise).

My challenge to you was this: Provide support for your contention that voters chose GOP candidates over the Democrats because the American public views Obama as too liberal. (my bold)

I already was aware of the stories you linked to, but I didn't ask you to provide evidence that a slim majority of Americans view Obama as "too liberal"; I asked you to prove that Democratic candidates around the country lost because voters considered Obama too liberal. Big difference, and all the unctious waltzing around the question and blatant misrepresentation on your part won't help you.

[Number23]

29. Oh good Lord. I can't believe you even typed that foolishness

I have given you SEVERAL sources that back up my original point which is that the American public views Obama and the Dem party as "too liberal." You saw my post and decided to challenge me with that idiotic, made up "enthusiasm gap" crap and when I asked YOU to provide the numbers, not only could you not do that, you then tried to challenge me to give you numbers to back up my original point when what I've said is old news.

It's a darn good thing that I didn't sit around waiting your proof. I knew you wouldn't have any but for you to try to act like I'm the one "acting out of bad faith" is trifling as hell, even for you.

[Skittles]

19. stop arguing with a table leg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Number23]

21. Better a table leg than a 70 year old zombied corpse!

And will you do me a favor and PLEASE, for God's sake PLEASE put me on ignore like you have sworn to 46 times??

[suzie]

18. African Americans are that disappointed in Obama? Really?

[Number23]

22. Don't argue with the table leg or the matching throw rug underneath it!

[treestar]

25. Do you believe that the Administration will really say

we lost the House because the base stayed home because we didn't somehow force Lieberman and Nelson to vote for single payer?

I'd be frustrated at how to deal with such an irrational "base." And aware that no matter how far to the left we went, that the base would still be dissatisfied.

[Bobbie Jo]

28. ...and your repeated contribution to this "enthusiasm gap" has been noted

...and answered.

[krawhitham]

6. Since most people think he is too left and left just got slaughtered

do not see it happening

[Skittles]

20. bullshit

sucking up to repukes is what cost him

[Jennicut]

7. Obama is not that young, either.

Sorry, it had to be said. I always laugh when people say we have a young President. Dude is almost 50.

[Hannah Bell]

23. 50 is old? who knew?

average age of presidents at inaugural = 55, median age about the same.

clinton was 47 when he took office, obama was 47, kennedy was 43.