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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:34 PM
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The Hill: Dems who voted against the rule for middle class tax cuts. Almost all Blue Dogs.
The vast majority of Democrats who voted with the GOP were centrist Blue Dog Democrats, many of whom were defeated on Election Day.

Here is a list of House Democrats who voted against their party:

Rep. John Adler (N.J.)
Rep. Jason Altmire (Pa.)
Rep. Brian Baird (Wash.)
Rep. Melissa Bean (Ill.)
Rep. Marion Berry (Ark.)
Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.)
Rep. Allen Boyd (Fla.)
Rep. Bobby Bright (Ala.)
Rep. Ben Chandler (Ky.)
Rep. Gerry Connolly (Va.)
Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.)
Rep. Jim Costa (Calif.)
Rep. Jerry Costello (Ill.)
Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.)
Rep. Artur Davis (Ala.)
Rep. Brad Ellsworth (Ind.)
Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (S.D.)
Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)
Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (Ariz.)
Rep. Dan Lipinski (Ill.)
Rep. Jim Marshall (Ga.)
Rep. Jim Matheson (Utah)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (N.C.)
Rep. Walt Minnick (Idaho)
Rep. Harry Mitchell (Ariz.)
Rep. Jim Moran (Va.)
Rep. Tom Perriello (Va.)
Rep. Gary Peters (Mich.)
Rep. Collin Peterson (Minn.)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (N.D.)
Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.)
Rep. Heath Shuler (N.C.)
Rep. Zack Space (Ohio)

This post was updated at 12:55 p.m.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/131663-at-least-30-dems-defect-as-test-vote-on-tax-cuts-passes
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:38 PM
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1. Waiting for the "we NEED these Democrats in order to pass stuff" crowd to show up. nt
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:41 PM
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2. No this is the hit list
for the ones that need to be replaced by progressives. I can dream can't I?
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:41 PM
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3. good thing we'll never see most of these douchebags again after january
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:04 PM
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9. +1
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:31 PM
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12. Oh yeah, then we will have Republicans who never vote with us-never.
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 03:32 PM by wisteria
And, I can tell you, that in those two PA spots the voters there would never-ever go for Progressives.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:45 PM
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4. It's all Obama's fault.
Somehow it all is.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:49 PM
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5. Not Obama But Sure Is Rahm's....The Guy Who Recruited Many OF Them
You know, the guy Obama chose for his first COS
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:23 PM
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7. Let's see, who was DNC chair in 2006 and largely responsible for getting most of them elected?
Oh, that's right.

Saint Howard of Dean.

I'm not a huge fan of Rahm's, but I'm not going to blame him for recognizing that Massachusetts Democrats can't get elected in Kentucky and Alabama.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:12 PM
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11. actually Dean rather publicly had no say in choice of candidates
he did help get the ones that Rahm chose elected but who ran was almost entirely Rahm's choice.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:43 PM
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13. Not Quite Right
If you remember Rahm and Dean fought over where to put the money. Rahm as head of the trip C blew his lot on Blue Dogs and where he could, he used that money like in Ill. and Fla. to knock out progressives with a real shot in favor of unknowns he did so.D
And Dr. Dean hasn't put our party in the disarray it's currently in, the responsibility for that lies clearly with the WH leadership.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:51 PM
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16. Holy Shit.
It was only a joke about how people here blame everything on Obama. It was funny because here's one thing that's absolutely in no way his fault, but you STILL managed to find a way to make this a smear story against Obama. Twisted. Seriously twisted.
Can you figure out a way to blame Obama for the stomach flu I got last week? I bet you can.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:03 PM
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6. We're throwing shizzfits over a rules vote on a rule that passed? Why? Who gives a fugg?
You can't get any public traction with this sort of arcane stuff. And the next election is two years off: the next Congress isn't even seated

This is like posting a page from the phone book: it's completely uninformative and nobody cares
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:54 PM
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8. maybe what you call a shitfitz is what others find revealing about the Democratic moniker
Frankly, I appreciate it when people name names -- there are lessons to be learned everytime a DINO is esposed...by their voting record. Last time I checked, votes count whether it precedes an election by one, two, or four years. Many of these people will run again -- hoping that their votes are no more important than listings in a phonebook. Accountability is worth preserving.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:54 PM
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15. You're promoting the R spin on a rules vote in a lame duck session. I'd expect the Rs
to have trouble getting traction on this, and I don't see much upside to helping them push their interpretation of the vote, by helping them stir up controversy about it
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:05 PM
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10. Shuler just won re-election and ran on NO MORE SPENDING EVAR!
Bill Clinton himself made a stop in Asheville just before the election to support Shuler.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:47 PM
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14. How many of these fuckers are we saying goodbye to?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:09 AM
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17. About half of them, I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1110/Blue_Dog_wipeout_Half_of_caucus_gone.html?showall

They were disproportionately defeated in November, from 54 to 26 including retirements. At one point almost one out of four "Democrats" was a closet Republican. Come January, it will be around 12%. I would imagine that most of those turncoat votes were from this group of 54. This time next year, a list such as this should be half as large or less.

The Democrats who return in January will be necessarily leaner, but also a lot meaner, thanks to the loss of these 26 pushover Dems. They'll make for formidable representation on committees and any Republican-crafted legislation will be stalked by (Democratic Senate) shadow-amendments waiting to be quietly inserted in conference. The Senate Democrats will likely be providing a lot of Democratic direction in the House, informally, and that could work out well in the long run.

Seriously, if one has to accept a defeat, as we must, then the focusing of the damage on the least reliable members of the party is one helluva consolation prize. It's a loss for us, but it also represents the loss of a powerful and highly useful fifth column which the Republicans successfully used against us for years.

The next step, of course, is to insert real Democrats into the primaries in those districts come 2012, so that these former blue dogs cannot siphon away Democratic funding by trying to return to their traitorous ways. They need to be boxed out for good. Maybe they'll finally jump the fence and add some much-needed moderation to their true party of choice.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:14 AM
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18. Good riddance, I say...
We can tolerate some conservatism in our Party, so long as they are on the Democratic side. When they go over to the Republican side, it is another story entirely.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:56 AM
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19. The two from AZ - Mitchell and Kirkpatrick - lost their seats last month. WTF??
Angling for a sweet lobbying job or something?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 04:19 AM
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20. Most likely.
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