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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 PM Original message |
Many at DU are saying Obama is a flat-out con man. I say he's probably being intimidated/blackmailed |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. I am beginning to buy the theory that he was replaced by a clone that the repukes created. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. hehe there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on in US politics. It's scary and bizarre to watch. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. imagine the insanity of actually living with it.... |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Actually a clone sent by the Martian overlords! |
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Merlot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. My theory is that any democratic president is being held hostage |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yeah I forgot the big banks and Fed. Yes that makes sense to me! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. I don't think the republicans stand for anything either |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. the first day in office... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. I've read long and deeply on the coup of 1963 and I tend to agree with Awoke_in_2003 |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
43. Yes, TPTB |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Obama we have is the one we elected. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. He has escalated the war in Aghanistan far beyond what he said he would |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. I agree he is a centrist but I believe his original statements about health care including the ones |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. I came of age in the 70's |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I think a lot of people believed words which Obama used in campaigning |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Not really |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
78. CORRECT |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. Oy vey |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Option 3. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. + |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. That doesn't explain how he's let you down so much on transparency. He could be calling a lot |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. He hasn't let me down on transparency, so I'm not sure who you're talking to. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. "I also see through a different media/political lens"... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Lets see: |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. "The US is a representative democracy" |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What's funny about it to you? |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. That is why we originally had two houses... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. Well, originally, it was only land owners. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. There you go, making sense when there are perfectly good conspiracy theories out there. nt |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. 1 is Alex-Jones level paranoia, and so is 2. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. haha At least it's not David Icke-level. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. Interesting thread. RECCED, but got UNrecced. nt |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Thanks. Not surprised a thread with 'blackmail' in the title would be unrecced |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Same here. I find the OP very interesting. My rec got unrecked as well. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. What puzzles me |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Maybe he thought he could play rope-a-dope but they anticipated it and trapped him |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. He never had any intention of implementing big changes |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. I don't understand how you could think that. I just don't think that he's that petty and |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. wow...so this is what DU is about nowadays? |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I'm not the one saying he's saying a crook and I sincerely don't know how else to deal with the |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. The whole board is crawling up its own ass to show how much they |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
18. You are very generous. n/t |
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vixengrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
20. The late, great Bill Hicks speculated that once anyone got |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Yeah that Bill Hicks scene resonates, but I don't think it has to rise to level of |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. In my most paranoid moments |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Yes eg how much oversight and authority do the Congress and Admin really have over the CIA, DIA etc |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Little or none. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Thanks, no I haven't seen those but I might check them out. |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
66. I actually believe you're spot on... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. Have you ever worked for the government or military? |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Both scenarios would be morally reprehensible, right? |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Some of the decisions Obama and the leadership have made aren't justifiable |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
32. He's clearly holding back. I think it's because he's been bought off by corporate money. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. I'm pretty sure Barak Obama |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
41. Exactly, we told him to go right when we didn't support him in the election why are some |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. I think most of you are doing what you can in the face of state-of-the-art propaganda and |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
42. I say that this place is fucking crazy and should be put to sleep |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Agree...now we're discussing Illumanti puppets at DU? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Why don't you 2 try reading books? Histories...anything but parroting political talking points. n/t |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. or anything but spewing anti-Obama hate |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
47. If you were the President |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Yes I guess I'd play it similar to Obama but I like to think I'd be more like Kucinich or Weiner. |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. If we only had more who actually believe that the fundamentals |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. At times in interviews when I saw them (& other Dems like Dean) expressing exasperation and dismay |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. It was just too easy for the |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
48. What has the President done now? |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
50. I thought he was playing higher-level chess. That was the explanation last year. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. I think Obama and the leadership *are* playing a long-term strategy chess game |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Obama should show some bipartisan spirit and reach |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. how about keeping your observations down under, mate? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. ^ WTH is wrong with you, Aramchk? US Gov actions affect/afflict the rest of the whole damned world. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Sorry if I cross the line sometimes. When you read here regularly you feel like you're in the |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. RW propaganda |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. Makes no difference whether it's option 1 or 2 |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
72. Option 3: the priorities and values of some here are so far removed... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Agreed on all except "liberal". He's Center with Rightward leanings, because the Right, unlike the |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. There's a contradiction in what you have said: If he was Liberal, the DU would not be calling him a |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
74. 2. + a financial environment that is affecting everything, but about which, he can say little or |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Hmm interesting points. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
80. He is a politician--ALL politicians are con-men. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
81. This is the first time he has been in a political fight against powerful interests |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
82. I raised the same question and was asked if I were a troll, I guess I'm not |
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