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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 02:45 PM
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Does President Obama dare to DISMANTLE THE EMPIRE??
Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 02:46 PM by polichick
That's what Chalmers Johnson (Author of The Blowback Trilogy and president of the Japan Policy Research Institute) is calling on the president to do in his new book, DISMANTLING THE EMPIRE: AMERICA'S LAST BEST HOPE.

Johnson asks what is being done about our military bases - "now close to eight hundred of them dotted across the globe in other people's countries."


Excerpt:


"There are three broad aspects to our debt crisis. First, we are spending insane amounts of money on 'defense' projects that bear no relationship to the national security of the United States. Simultaneously, we are keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segments of the American population at strikingly low levels.

"Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our manufacturing base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures - so-called military Keynesianism. By 'military Keynesianism,' I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

"Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term helath of our country. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs - an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.

<snip>

"Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on present and future wars that have nothing to do with our national security is simply obscene. And yet Congress has been corrupted by the military-industrial complex into believing that by voting for more defense spending, they are supplying 'jobs' for the economy. In fact, they are only diverting scarce resources from the desperately needed rebuilding of the American infrastructure and other crucial spending necessities into utterly wasteful munitions. If we cannot cut back our long-standing, ever increasing military spending in a major way, then the bankrupcy of the United States is inevitable."

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dismantling-the-Empire/Chalmers-Johnson/e/9780805093032


I highly recommend this book to anyone who can handle the realities of U.S. empire building - not pretty stuff to sift through.

What are the chances that President Obama will begin to dismantle the empire?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 02:47 PM
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1. chances are nil
"dare" and Obama do not belong in the same sentence
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 02:48 PM
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2. No chance at all. Why even think it? n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:26 PM
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9. This author makes a great case for why we need to dismantle the empire...
...or see the country go bankrupt - it'll be interesting to see how our politicians keep trying to justify this mess.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:49 PM
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14. No doubt we need to dismantle it, but the question was, will Obama do that.
He can't even manage to shut down an illegal concentration camp on an illegal base in Cuba - I think it's safe to say he's not going to touch Empire.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:53 PM
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15. Johnson talks about Obama because he's in office now - and lays out...
Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 03:59 PM by polichick
...a plan for how to do it in the final pages of the book.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 02:53 PM
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3. No 'Hope' that will happen.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:01 PM
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4. slim to none
unfortunately.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:03 PM
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5. Absolutely none...
Why would anyone even think Obama would do that? Even speculation about it is utter foolishness.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:06 PM
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6. So it's your understanding that
the nearly 70 million Americans who went to the polls and voted for Barack Obama were expecting him to tear down the empire?

If not all, what percentage do you believe expected that?

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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:14 PM
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8. Each one of those foreign bases employs locals & promotes local economies.
any kind of reduction in military presence would have to be
replaced by some sort of economic aid (and where's that going
to come from?). It seems to me that while it would be great if we didn't
have to police the world, this isn't the time that any kind of progress
is going to be made on this front.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:36 PM
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13. True, and
there is still progress being made

- In June 2009, U.S. Forces occupied 357 bases. U.S. Forces currently occupy 121 bases, and are expected to reduce that number to 94 bases by the end of August.


...He canceled a weapons program that was bloated, unnecessary and totally irrelevant to either of our current wars, the F-22. Why even mention the cancellation of a single weapons system? Because that never happens. Weapons systems never get canceled. The F-22 did, which is itself a miracle.

link

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:58 PM
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16. Yeah, what would all those local economies do without their
whore houses and bars?

If we shut down the bases in Okinawa, the farmers that were displaced without compensation 65 years ago might actually be able to go back to farming - at least on those lands that have not been irrevocably polluted and poisoned in the meantime.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:59 PM
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18. That's one of the really disturbing things - we destroy their environment...
...and leave it that way.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:58 PM
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17. We don't have to "police the world" - and we don't have the right to occupy other countries. nt
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:28 PM
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10. Every single one.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:13 PM
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7. Zilch. Will not happen. nt
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:29 PM
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11. Unfortunately, ZERO.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:34 PM
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12. No, and I wouldn't expect it from President Feingold or Kucinich either.
Silly.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:14 PM
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19. I doubt it will happen. Politicians cannot agree on anything and this
issue is not any different. I have read Chalmer's books as well as the one about the end of former empires by Kennedy. It is happening right now but no one has the guts to stop the overstretch. Like all those other empires it will have to come down on its own - ready or not. And we will all pay the price.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:15 PM
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20. You're probably right...
Bankrupcy here we come! Might be time to learn Chinese.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 07:07 PM
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21. What empire?
It has long since ended. We just haven't admitted it yet.
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