Nancy Pelosi DEEPLY UNHAPPY - could be progressive REVOLT in House

[polichick]

This according to Victoria Jones (Talk Radio News Service), reporting on Thom Hartmann's show.

Also, more Dems in Senate willing to stay in town through Christmas to get something done.

[onehandle]

1. Nancy. The Speaker. nt

[Tsiyu]

36. Someone needs to stand up to the Repukes.

This idea of sparing the uber wealthy - as they wag the carrot of UI for the unemployed - when there is so much suffering in this nation is profane.

May their greed and their benefactors' greed bite them in the ass.

[monmouth]

2. Well if she's unhappy then it's not good. Pelosi has been one of

this president's biggest cheerleaders and supporters. If she's not happy, neither am I.

[backscatter712]

4. Gotta disagree with you.

Pelosi's on our side - she's actually gotten things done in the House, so I'm gonna give her credit.

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[backscatter712]

23. Ah. That's what I get for posting with very little sleep...

:hi:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Agreed. It pains me to say this, but Obama just took a major crap on his base. I never expected this

[valerief]

65. +666 trillion

[harun]

71. Damn right she has. Progressives in the House have been the only

ones getting things done for us the last two years. If anyone doesn't think so go look at the votes and the people involved. God bless the Progressive Democratic Caucus!

[David Zephyr]

32. She walked the plank for Obama, delivered the Public Option by the House of Representatives.

She's kicked every football Obama promised to, but then wouldn't.

I stand with Nancy.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. If I were to just let my imagination go,

seeding it with a few starting terms like Tax cuts for the rich, DADT, and Unemployment Compensation, do you think I might end up somewhere near to guessing what Nancy's pissed about?

[polichick]

8. No details, but that's why the meetings at the WH today. nt

[David Zephyr]

33. Me, too.

I like her. I defend her.

[tabatha]

5. Please, please, please REVOLT !!

[BeyondGeography]

6. Devoutly wish for it to be true

:patriot:

[ProSense]

7. It's not a done deal

Evidently the first report came from the Daily Caller, which is a RW source:

President Obama’s Outline of Possible Yet Not Quite Done Deal on Tax Cuts – Including a $120 Billion Payroll Tax Reduction

<...>

This deal has not been agreed upon yet – and in fact President Obama’s meeting with Democratic congressional leaders has gone longer than expected, indicating some possible pushback. The president, Vice President Biden, and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner have been working this proposal all weekend with congressional leaders.

The Daily Caller’s Jon Ward was first to report some of these details.

The deal being reported makes no sense.

[LiberalFighter]

9. I hope those Democratic leaders in Congress are giving the others hell

IF they are capitulating to the GOP's demands. Nancy and her gang need to turn into wolves and take Obama, Biden, Geithner out to the woodshed if needed.

There are too many damn Democratic Senators that are useless. And just like the HCR the Senate is causing the blockage.

[Uzybone]

10. oh the drama

[RandomThoughts]

11. Here is why I don't listen to posts here.

But muse on function not data.

If anything I say was thought to have value, there would have been some things that occurred, and since those things have not happened, I know either what I type does not have value to them, so what is posted here would not be in that context, or nobody sees it anyways.

Or what is posted here has nothing to do with what people are doing, and thinking on function removes any accidental association of context.

Although I like Nancy, why, because when I think of her, I get a good vibe. Literally that's why :D

[SheilaT]

12. A progressive revolt in the House

would be wonderful, as far as I'm concerned.

In 2007 I attended a progressive conference in Washington, DC, and I tell you, the delegates to the conference were light years ahead of Pelosi on everything. She was booed, as I recall for being so cautious and wishy-washy, despite the Democratic gains. None of us understood WTF she was holding back for. This, even as she was famously saying, "Elections have consequences."

[KoKo]

13. It will "look like" a Progressive Revolt...and, indeed it might be a few, but it's Smoke & Mirrors

because whatever the House (while it's still Dem) will never be able to overcome Harry Reid and the Senate who destroy whatever the House does.

Don't get hopes up..because we've been through this so many times. I feel sad for those House Members who work so hard trying to get their legislation proposals passed...but Senate always blocks. Those who have been Good Dems must be really feeling sad knowing they will be gone in two years (those who survived the last purge where Repugs threw the poo in their faces.

Next year they are the Back Benchers...resorting to "One Minute Speeches" and being trashed by the BULLIE BOYS AND GALS..

It's sad that our House Members had to be reduced to this after Tim Kaine's fecklessness and Rahm Emmanuel's ineffectiveness.

JMHO...Harry Reid should have gone down in Nevada. He should have paid for his incompetence but he's the Repugs BEST FRIEND...so he got by in that election.

[Phx_Dem]

15. Yeah, sure. The House is going to revolt so they can raise taxes on the middle class and

let unemployment benefit expire? Sure. I can't wait to see that trainwreck.

She seems to forget about the Senate.


:popcorn:

[totodeinhere]

16. Pelosi would have a hard time pulling off a progressive revolt. Assuming

that almost all of the Republicans in the House vote for the compromise because it extends the tax cuts for the rich, all they would need is less than 40 House Democrats to go along with them. Realistically, I don't see a progressive revolt succeeding.

[Still a Democrat]

17. Uh huh

We'll see about that.

[Scruffy1]

18. The only ones with balls are the females. Go Nancy!

After the compromiser in chief pre-capitulated before there was eve a fight.

[KatyaR]

19. "Progressive revolt?" I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm so disappointed in this administration that I want to cry....

[tomp]

39. i advise you NOT to hold your breath waiting. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. My thoughts exactly. Verbatim as a matter of fact.

:(

[RBInMaine]

20. This compromise WILL win, and it damn well should ! The right deal at the right time. Get it done!

[derby378]

21. Compromise with the neo-cons = apostasy

The idea of striking a deal with the enemies of America is like Chamberlain striking his "peace in our time" deal with Hitler.

[xultar]

22. #TEAMPELOSI

[zulchzulu]

24. Who?

I'm guessing that there are perhaps 30 progressives in Congress. Is that a "revolt"? Seriously...

[polichick]

28. Nancy doesn't have to bring the piece of shit deal to the floor for a vote...

So I guess we could have a revolt of one!

[zulchzulu]

35. I love your spunk

Paris?

:hi:

[harun]

69. She can and she should.

[druidity33]

40. There are 79 members

of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (in the House, 3 in the Senate). There will be 26 Blue Dogs remaining in the House during the next term...

:shrug:

[FBaggins]

45. Probably even fewer blue dogs than that by the time all is said and done.

It's likely that some of the positioning (by republicans) during this lame-duck session is to give a handful of them cover to switch parties. There have already been something like two dozen party switchers at the state level (four in Alabama alone this week that gave them a "filibuster"-proof super-majority in both houses when they were in the minority in both last month). We could easily see a handful of these blue-dogs follow the same path (as happened in '94).

[sohndrsmith]

74. none of whom's lives are hinging on the last unemployment check. n/t

[Drahthaardogs]

25. You GO Nancy!!!!!

Get a few punches in while they take us down! Do not go quietly!!!! Say what you will, but at least Nancy has some backbone!

[polichick]

26. I hope she refuses to bring it to the floor for a vote. nt

[BrklynLiberal]

27. I hope they show more backbone than the White House did....

I WANT MY VOTE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Imajika]

29. So we will have more theater...

The deal is done.

So what we will have for the next week or so is all the opponents lining up and making noise, appealing to the base, throwing red meat to activists, etc. Many on DU will get excited thinking there will really be a "progressive revolt", but it won't be a revolt that stops anything. A few people will oppose it and crawl out from under the bus, others will go along and be unpopular for awhile, etc, etc - all nothing but theater.

And in the end, the "deal" will be approved in the House and Senate. The President signed off on it and there are more than enough Democrats in the House and Senate when paired with Republicans in the House and Senate to pass it. Everyone knows it, all the rest is for show.

And any delay only helps Republicans by the way. They are happy to drag it out for an extra week or so hoping to tie up the lame duck Congress from handling other business.

[Hardrada]

38. The republic is done. That won't be theater.

[craigmatic]

30. She should be- the compromise sucks. It doesn't matter though because there's nothing we can do

about it.

[flpoljunkie]

31. Luis Gutierrez said this will pass as Blue Dogs will vote with the Republicans

He was not happy about it either, but he understands the reality.

[and-justice-for-all]

37. I want to see blood!..nt

[mimitabby]

42. go Nancy!

[snot]

43. Many Amerians have worked hard through many holidays;

no reason our reps shouldn't.

[treestar]

44. That would be so entertaining!

Another "revolt!" Imagine the revolutions predicted in this past year alone! It is amazing one has not happened.

[polichick]

46. Maybe the House is pissed that the lame dealing at the WH lost them the majority...

I guess the WH thinks House Dems have noplace else to go either - but they don't have to bring his crappy deal to the floor.

[TwilightGardener]

47. The House didn't want the tax cut legislation before the election.

I'm not understanding your timetable. The deal came AFTER they lost.

[polichick]

48. A lot of Dems (myself included) think we would've held the house...

...if the WH hadn't caved so much - the base lost it's enthusiasm and the middle (who just goes with the perceived winner) followed suit.

[TwilightGardener]

49. I don't see it that way. Lots of blue dogs (who ran away from Obama and the

Dem legislation that was achieved) went down. Some lost when red or purple districts came back to claim their seats (Grayson?). There was just no pattern, except that the most motivated voters were Republican--and why shouldn't they have been?

[polichick]

51. But I can see how House members might be really pissed off at the WH...

The House held to Democratic principles while the WH wheeled and dealed them away.

In any case, if it's true (as reported on Ed's radio show) that most Dems were not part of this new deal, they might be even more po'ed.

[TwilightGardener]

52. Some of them are PO'd. Some of them (30+) voted against extending

the tax cuts only for the middle class. I cannot explain that one at all.

[polichick]

53. I think they were blue dogs (who wanted more cuts) and a few...

(Feingold was one) who didn't want any cuts extended.

[totodeinhere]

50. My concern is, if this compromise gets shot down, what will the unemployed do?

Extended benefits will be cut off and millions of Americans will be impacted by that.

[polichick]

54. Maybe that could be taken separately, with a real televised filibuster...

...on Christmas day - see if the Republicans will stick by their greediness.

[totodeinhere]

58. Are you willing to take that chance? If they do stick by their greediness then as usual, poor

people will be the ones who suffer.

[polichick]

59. Those same people are going to be paying for these tax cuts for the wealthy...

We all will.

[totodeinhere]

60. When your unemployment benefits are cut off and you don't know where your next meal is coming from,

tax cuts for the wealthy would probably be the last thing on your mind.

[polichick]

61. That's true - but I also think Dems could get the votes if they required...

...a real filibuster and didn't let Congress go home.

[Sheepshank]

55. Where is the OP is there anything stating what Nancy is mad about>

so the jump from not knowing what she is mad about, to a progressive revolt seems really stupid.

[polichick]

57. This was a brief report about how she left the WH yesterday...

'Course we've now heard that Obama cut Dems out of the negotiations - no wonder they're pissed.

[Phx_Dem]

56. Nancy has noone but herself and Harry Ried to blame for not

dealing with his earlier, and for failing to get enough votes to pass middle-class cuts only.

Yawn.

[bc3000]

63. But Nancy did get the votes

It was Harry over in the Senate who did not.

[harun]

68. She did pass middle-class cuts only.

[AllyCat]

62. Willing to get what "something" done?

More skewering of the American people to the delight of the rich? Personally, I'd rather they all just went home early.

[katty]

64. just called/emailed her and others on this

[paparush]

66. What is that, like, six House members? nt

[pleah]

67. K&R

[defendandprotect]

70. Good for Pelosi ... big opportunity for LIBERALS to step forward to challenge Obama ....

Don't think Pelosi is the one -- as I recall she is DLC?

But we need liberals Democrats to step up now ---

and we need to be discussing what we can all do as liberals together re a Plan B.

Many have called on dems to extend their time over this two years to longer hours

and weekends to get legislation thru.

This is still a good idea even if a bit late!!

Go Pelosi!!

[harun]

72. Hell no she isn't. She is Congressional Progressive Caucus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

Those are the good guys (and gals).

[defendandprotect]

73. Good news cause I wouldn't support any DLC'er ....

Let's see how far she can go --

but glad to see they're going to be putting more time in and

hope they find a way to get the unemployment benefits thru!!

Thanks for letting me know!

:)