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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:56 PM
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"I'm not willing to let working families become collateral damage for political warfare."
Edited on Mon Dec-06-10 11:01 PM by Clio the Leo
For the past few weeks there’s been a lot of talk around Washington about taxes and there’s been a lot of political positioning between the two parties. But around kitchen tables, Americans are asking just one question: Are we going to allow their taxes to go up on January 1st, or will we meet our responsibilities to resolve our differences and do what’s necessary to speed up the recovery and get people back to work?

Now, there’s no doubt that the differences between the parties are real and they are profound. Ever since I started running for this office I've said that we should only extend the tax cuts for the middle class. These are the Americans who’ve taken the biggest hit not only from this recession but from nearly a decade of costs that have gone up while their paychecks have not. It would be a grave injustice to let taxes increase for these Americans right now. And it would deal a serious blow to our economic recovery.

Now, Republicans have a different view. They believe that we should also make permanent the tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans. I completely disagree with this. A permanent extension of these tax cuts would cost us $700 billion at a time when we need to start focusing on bringing down our deficit. And economists from all across the political spectrum agree that giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires does very little to actually grow our economy.

This is where the debate has stood for the last couple of weeks. And what is abundantly clear to everyone in this town is that Republicans will block a permanent tax cut for the middle class unless they also get a permanent tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, regardless of the cost or impact on the deficit.

We saw that in two different votes in the Senate that were taken this weekend. And without a willingness to give on both sides, there’s no reason to believe that this stalemate won't continue well into next year. This would be a chilling prospect for the American people whose taxes are currently scheduled to go up on January 1st because of arrangements that were made back in 2001 and 2003 under the Bush tax cuts.

I am not willing to let that happen. I know there’s some people in my own party and in the other party who would rather prolong this battle, even if we can't reach a compromise. But I'm not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington. And I'm not willing to let our economy slip backwards just as we're pulling ourselves out of this devastating recession.

I'm not willing to see 2 million Americans who stand to lose their unemployment insurance at the end of this month be put in a situation where they might lose their home or their car or suffer some additional economic catastrophe.


So, sympathetic as I am to those who prefer a fight over compromise, as much as the political wisdom may dictate fighting over solving problems, it would be the wrong thing to do. The American people didn’t send us here to wage symbolic battles or win symbolic victories. They would much rather have the comfort of knowing that when they open their first paycheck on January of 2011, it won’t be smaller than it was before, all because Washington decided they preferred to have a fight and failed to act.

Make no mistake: Allowing taxes to go up on all Americans would have raised taxes by $3,000 for a typical American family. And that could cost our economy well over a million jobs.

At the same time, I’m not about to add $700 billion to our deficit by allowing a permanent extension of the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. And I won’t allow any extension of these tax cuts for the wealthy, even a temporary one, without also extending unemployment insurance for Americans who’ve lost their jobs or additional tax cuts for working families and small businesses -- because if Republicans truly believe we shouldn’t raise taxes on anyone while our economy is still recovering from the recession, then surely we shouldn’t cut taxes for wealthy people while letting them rise on parents and students and small businesses.

As a result, we have arrived at a framework for a bipartisan agreement. For the next two years, every American family will keep their tax cuts -- not just the Bush tax cuts, but those that have been put in place over the last couple of years that are helping parents and students and other folks manage their bills.

In exchange for a temporary extension of the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, we will be able to protect key tax cuts for working families -- the Earned Income Tax Credit that helps families climb out of poverty; the Child Tax Credit that makes sure families don’t see their taxes jump up to $1,000 for every child; and the American Opportunity Tax Credit that ensures over 8 million students and their families don’t suddenly see the cost of college shooting up.

These are the tax cuts for some of the folks who’ve been hit hardest by this recession, and it would be simply unacceptable if their taxes went up while everybody else’s stayed the same.

Now, under this agreement, unemployment insurance will also be extended for another 13 months, which will be welcome relief for 2 million Americans who are facing the prospect of having this lifeline yanked away from them right in the middle of the holiday season.

This agreement would also mean a 2 percent employee payroll tax cut for workers next year -- a tax cut that economists across the political spectrum agree is one of the most powerful things we can do to create jobs and boost economic growth.

And we will prevent -- we will provide incentives for businesses to invest and create jobs by allowing them to completely write off their investments next year. This is something identified back in September as a way to help American businesses create jobs. And thanks to this compromise, it’s finally going to get done.

In exchange, the Republicans have asked for more generous treatment of the estate tax than I think is wise or warranted. But we have insisted that that will be temporary.

I have no doubt that everyone will find something in this compromise that they don’t like. In fact, there are things in here that I don’t like -- namely the extension of the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and the wealthiest estates. But these tax cuts will expire in two years. And I’m confident that as we make tough choices about bringing our deficit down, as I engage in a conversation with the American people about the hard choices we’re going to have to make to secure our future and our children’s future and our grandchildren’s future, it will become apparent that we cannot afford to extend those tax cuts any longer.

As for now, I believe this bipartisan plan is the right thing to do. It’s the right thing to do for jobs. It’s the right thing to do for the middle class. It is the right thing to do for business. And it’s the right thing to do for our economy. It offers us an opportunity that we need to seize.

It’s not perfect, but this compromise is an essential step on the road to recovery. It will stop middle-class taxes from going up. It will spur our private sector to create millions of new jobs, and add momentum that our economy badly needs.

Building on that momentum is what I’m focused on. It’s what members of Congress should be focused on. And I'm looking forward to working with members of both parties in the coming days to see to it that we get this done before everyone leaves town for the holiday season. We cannot allow this moment to pass.


And let me just end with this. There’s been a lot of debate in Washington about how this would ultimately get resolved. I just want everybody to remember over the course of the coming days, both Democrats and Republicans, that these are not abstract fights for the families that are impacted. Two million people will lose their unemployment insurance at the end of this month if we don't get this resolved. Millions more of Americans will see their taxes go up at a time when they can least afford it. And my singular focus over the next year is going to be on how do we continue the momentum of the recovery, how do we make sure that we grow this economy and we create more jobs.

We cannot play politics at a time when the American people are looking for us to solve problems. And so I look forward to engaging the House and the Senate, members of both parties, as well as the media, in this debate. But I am confident that this needs to get done, and I'm confident ultimately Congress is going to do the right thing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/06/statement-president-tax-cuts-and-unemployment-benefits
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:58 PM
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1. to little, to late...
Dems. should have dealt with this shit long ago.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 10:58 PM
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2. I can't disagree with any of his points, Clio, I just really wish it hadn't come to
this. But it is what it is. Thanks for posting this.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:00 PM
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4. Really?
That's why he's also using this "compromise" to start the attack on Social Security?

At the very least he could have demanded that unemployment benefits no longer be considered taxable income - but no. Tax cuts for wealthy get extended while those who can afford to pay no taxes don't get much of a break at all.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:38 PM
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24. Will Obama use this "compromise" to start the attack on Social Security?
If he actually does will anybody on Democratic underground support the demise of the Social Security program?

I'm at a point where i'm wondering what is the president I helped elect doing. Who is he?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. there are plenty here...
that will support the demise of Social Security, as long as it is this administration killing it. Oh, and they will have links that prove they are right- no doubt. Political victories are the only important thing.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:01 PM
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5. When he begins his push for austerity nexty year those same families WILL
be collateral damage when the government tries to make up the lost tax revenues from the wealthy tax cuts.

All the safety nets and Social Security will be pared back to try and recover the money given to the wealthy.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:03 PM
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6. I consider that to be very cynical framing of events. n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:03 PM
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7. I wonder how many on DU have actually read or heard this entire comment?
Not that it matters. This place has pretty much gone the way of the other flashpoint reactions tonight.

I need to make sure to check in with reality.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:05 PM
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8. I read through it after I posted it so I could...
.... find the points I wanted to highlight and there were already four replies to it by the time I was done. Granted, they could have all see the statement as it happened, but you have to wonder, huh?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Obama certainly gets the big picture. Question is...
how many skirmishes can you lose before the war is lost?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:06 PM
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9. And if he thinks this is over
Constitutional crisis and ruling by hostage taking.

That will make the government really efficient and good at policy...

Oh and one more thing... I hope history is far kinder than I am going to... he just accelerated trends, with the rest of the idiots in DC...
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:06 PM
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10. "these are not abstract fights for the families that are impacted". nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #10
28. Single payer was not an abstract fight for the families impacted either.
Clearly it is acceptable to this administration that 22,000 will die in the US for lack of health care,
but it is unacceptable for anyone to go hungry.

Somehow I am not buying this administration's values.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Congress didn't support single payer. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:06 PM
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11. he should have said that HIS FIRST DAY IN OFFICE
and then FOLLOWED THROUGH
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Too bad they have this pesky little thing called Congress.
It takes their votes too.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:10 PM
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13. it would help if he FUCKING TRIED
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. I wish that our political landscape were that simple. nt
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Passing legislation is like thumb wrestling...
.... you just have to TRY! And be strong! And ..... stuff.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:28 PM
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18. When I was a kid, I had a thumb wrestling book.
You put your thumbs into these little cut outs int he pages that looked like different arenas. It was pretty funny.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Do you still have it? You could send it to The Obama. nt
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:53 PM
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32. How much simpler can it be than asking the GOP what they will let us have and then accepting it?
We're supposed to believe that he fought but the GOP doesn't have a hair out of place.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:55 PM
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51. Except for the unemployment extension which they were totally opposed to. nt
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:47 AM
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68. They in fact were not opposed to it, they said they wanted UI extensions as long as ...
... they were paid for. So, at best you can say they gave up the claim that they wanted the UI extension to be paid for. Except that's probably not true either. They clearly don't care if things are paid for or they would not have insisten on the tax cust.

No. The "it mist be paid for" claim was only to give them plausible deniability so that they could hold out on UI extensions to extract more from the Obama administration.

They suckered you, and you believed them.



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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:48 AM
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70. I reject the idea that they actually wanted them.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 11:53 AM by Cant trust em
They think that the unemployed are lazy and would just assume that these people be homeless. The idea that now they secretly want to extend UI to people is silly.

Additionally, the republicans only care about deficit reduction if it comes on the backs of spending, not revenue increases. That's why they don't mind increasing the debt with tax increases, but do for things like UI.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #13
30. and you know he didn't? do you follow him around all day? or does posting your opinion in all caps
make it true?

:shrug:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:25 PM
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17. And he affirms his belief in Reagan's "trickle down" economics -
"It will spur our private sector to create millions of new jobs, and add momentum that our economy badly needs."

So he's bought into the old "Tax Cuts=Jobs" bullshit. Great. I'm so jazzed.

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:29 PM
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19. I believe that was in reference to the UI and the small business break n/t
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. Shhh. You're making too much sense.
I prefer to piss into the wind.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
40. Exactly.
Why aren't people understanding that? :shrug:







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oamwobo Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:29 PM
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20. I noticed that too
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Yep, what Arcane just said.
Might want to re-read that part love.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #17
31. except he didn't. try harder. payroll tax cut isn't trickle down economics.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Payroll tax cut also translates into reduced benefits
at the end. Less money put in, less money to take out.
Is this a step towards privatization? Dunno!
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. ---
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 03:27 PM by golfguru
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Wrong, The General Fund Is Making Up The Difference, No Reduced Benefits
Pay attention.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. I am still suspicious
because the general fund is already in bigger deficit than a fat elephants ass.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:30 PM
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39. Stimulus Means Deficit Spending And These Cuts Are REAL Stimulus
and REAL money directly in people's hands who need it the most on a regular ongoing basis. I will benefit from this cut and it will make a nice little bump in monthly budget. I will be spending MORE money as a result of this and improving the economy by doing so.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. That is all true as will be the case with myself also but..
I just do not relish more deficits accumulated year after year.
The national debt is not going to disappear on it's own and the
interest keeps mounting every year. The top 2% do not need this taxcut
and the country can not afford the additional deficit.

Oh well...we can look out for ourselves and let the kids be damned.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. No, The Top 2% Don't Need It, But I'm More Concerned With The Unemployed
Who will now have the relief they need.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. The top 2% just received 4 times what the unemployed will get
Lousy bargain if you ask me.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. "Yeah! Fuck The Unemployed, They Can ROT!"
n/t
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Your words not mine!
My words: Poor deal for the unemployed, we all got fucked by the rich.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:10 PM
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48. The Unemployed Got Fucked By Getting Their Benefits Extended?
I think they'd beg to differ.

No, it's more important the rich don't get theirs!!! Eat the rich!
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #46
61. More like "They Can RIOT!"
Wonder what a bank on fire looks like? We might just see that soon enough.

This is also where Harry and Louise become Bonnie and Clyde.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. You Sound Excited About The Prospect Of People Setting Banks On Fire And Becoming Violent
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 12:46 PM by Beetwasher
That's interesting.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. Prediction is different from incitement. Crack a book sometime.
At least I'm not sitting back trying to convince everybody that everything is peachy keen in America and that Obama is the second coming.

You, like Obama, have no principles. He could buttfuck his children on national TV and you would cheer him on. You are willing to give up everything because every time the Rethugs say Boo, you and Obama piss your pants in fear.

You're both fucking cowards.


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Did I Say Incitement? Try Reading Comprehension Sometime
but you damn sure seem to be wetting yourself with glee when you talk about violence. You're working yourself up into a nice, moist lather... Interesting....
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. you also have to ask yourself, how many kids might be sleeping in the family minivan or a cardboard
box come january if 2 million wage earners suddenly lost benefits.

what's the lowest round you shot this year?
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #53
64. 79
made all puts under 10 feet :toast:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. 83 was the best i could muster.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. Yeah, homelessness is such a laugh riot!!!!! LOL
Your contempt towards the poor has been noted.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. Tax cuts mean jack shit if you have no income
A hungry mob is an angry mob.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. Oh, Yeah, Riot! That'll Help Things! That ALWAYS Helps!
You go, dog!
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. When people get hungry, they get mad
Do you expect these 99ers that you have so much contempt for to go quietly starve to death under a bridge somewhere?
Well, I think more than a few of them might get angry enough to take desperate measures and break some shit.

As JFK said, those whose make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable.


Welcome back to 1860.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. I don't think riots were ubiquitous during the great depression
people stood in long soup lines patiently.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. It was also the era of Bonnie and Clyde and Dillinger
We'll see if people get angry enough to riot.
Things are different then, too. We wer'en't mired in two wars sucking up all of OUR money and the RW is indifferent to our suffering. People were also more patient because they saw a president taking concrete measures to give workers relief. Obama has done nothing except suck up to the very banksters that are killing us.

FDR saved capitalism from revolution. Obama isn't strong enough to stop or even influence events.

He is irrelevant.

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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. Absolutely can not understand bailout of big banks
Those greedy Goldman Sachs type gambled in risky schemes and lost
and then taxpayers were called in to bail them out. So they are in
win-win situation. And they are doing the same thing again!

BRING ON GLASS-STEAGAL!!!

Every corporation should be allowed to fail when they make stupid &
risky decisions.

I am more sympathetic to bailout of GM & Chrysler because of loss of
manufacturing jobs. And both those outfits did not gamble on risky schemes.
However both badly managed, and entire top management should have been fired
before the bailout. Firing only the CEO's is not nearly enough.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:30 AM
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69. Rioting Solves Everything!
Good advice! Woohoo! Partay!
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:36 PM
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75. Yeah, damn all those 99er's. Can't they just go starve to death quietly?
Were you Neville Chamberlain in a past life?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:41 PM
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77. Kill!! KILL!!! KILLL!!! My, How Moist That Makes You
I bet you're packin', aren't you, Chester? Itchy trigger figger? You think about violence and you stroke it, don't you?
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:35 PM
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41. Less people working, less money going into the system.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 03:35 PM by Kadie
So many problems...

Give people (average working, middle class people) a small tax cut, the money goes back into the economy, economy grows, jobs develop.

That is better than expecting someone to create a job who would rather buy a new sports car.



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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 11:42 PM
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25. Let's stop with the false equivalence
Edited on Mon Dec-06-10 11:43 PM by high density
I'd like to see Obama stop thinking like the dumbfuck beltway media and acting as if both parties are equally responsible for the legislative logjams of the past few years. The Republicans were holding the middle class hostage for their rich buddies, and they were rewarded for their behavior yet again.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:17 PM
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78. Bingo and then the President touts their policy perks as good for the country
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:45 AM
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27. He's good with words. Always was.
The wealthy got what they wanted. That's worth celebrating in DC this holiday season.

I know they think we are blind. That we are too stupid to see the games they play.

He sold out. Not being as good with words as he is, that's the best way I can say it. And all the nice words in the world, won't change it. I know they are slapping themselves on the back tonight. 'Brilliant. We were able to USE the unemployment extension to get our buddies what they wanted and we'll be richly rewarded for that, have another drink on the tax-payers'.

Now we have to figure out what we are going to do to get a government that works for US. He just made the wealthy more wealthy which gives them more power. Which means they will be buying more members of Congress. How can the people fight that? I just don't know the answer to that question.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:28 AM
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29. Thank you, Mr. President. Good to know someone has their priorities straight.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:17 PM
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37. Obama
What people did to realize about him Is he Isn't Intrested In sitting In the white House going my way or the highway and make points he wants to get things done to try to fix things even If he has to comprise to do it.

He also has to deal with a pisky little thing like Congress.Plus having to deal with the fact some who call themselves Democrats
are not real Democrats.

Republicans don't like extending any Stimulas Tax brakes for middle class(Any tax brakes not for rich they hate) and unemployment
Benefits.Plus the deal on the estate tax Isn't all they wanted.Plus they don't like it this Is a 2 year extension of the Tax Cuts
for rich Instead of permeant one.

This hurts the memo of Socialist Obama wanting to raise all your taxes.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:39 PM
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42. Democratic Components Of Tax Deal Benefit More People Than Republican Parts Of The Plan - Graph
.... a chart detailing both the number of people (in millions) who benefit from each side’s priorities, as well as the total cost (in billions). Obama’s components of the tax deal (extended unemployment benefits, the payroll tax cut, and the extended credits) will cost $214 billion to aid 156 million people. The Republicans priorities (extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and cutting the estate tax), meanwhile, will cost $133 billion, but only benefit roughly 4.8 million people.



Full article here: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/12/07/comparing-priorities/

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:19 PM
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50. Yeah. Plus, the middle-class tax cuts have Obama's name on them, not Dubya's.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:18 PM
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49. Results, plain and simple.
A good compromise leaves everyone mad.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:56 PM
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52. Funn how that works. I wonder how the truly independents feel about this.
I typically only know democrats. Does Obama get the credit he deserves for compromising with the republicans?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:28 PM
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54. one would hope. on one side, you have no deal. the tax cuts expire, UI benefits for 2 million cease.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:30 PM by dionysus
democrats can't get just a middle class tax cut, got fillibustered twice last weekend.

GOP campaigns on "Dems raised everyones taxes look at thee unemployed people with no benefits onoes" for two years. he didn't actually raise taxes, the bush ones just expired, but it'll be portrayed that way and half the public will buy it.

we made a deal, and there was shitty stuff in it, but the unemployment benefits and the middle class taxs are in it. does anyone thinking pulling the rug out from 2 million people unemployed at friggin *christmas* to make a political point would be the right thing to do? (cue republican ad: "he raised your taxes and wouldn't keep your unemployment benefits")

in a sane world we would never have to make a deal like this, but the republicans fillibuster every bill, and even our "60 vote fillibuster proof majority" was bullshit. subtract blue dogs and lieberman, maybe we had 53, 54.

and somehow our senate caucus is getting a free pass when the white house wanted this done before the election.

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:10 PM
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56. The senate caucus has been given a pass for Obama's whole presidency up to this point.
They've never had his back.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:27 PM
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57. agreed
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 PM
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59. Agreement on DU? Holy shit, today is the day. nt
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:30 PM
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55. News Flash: THEY ALREADY ARE.
They have been for the last ten fucking years because Democrats refuse to fucking fight for their principles.

I'm getting really sick of this argument. It holds no water at all.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:37 PM
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58. Proud to Rec. n/t.
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