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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:16 AM
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Senior White House Official: 'We Wanted a Fight,' too. Congressional Dems 'Wouldn't Throw a Punch'
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 07:24 AM by jefferson_dem
Senior White House Official: 'We Wanted a Fight,' too. Congressional Dems 'Wouldn't Throw a Punch'

Vice President Biden heads to Capitol Hill today to lobby Senate Democrats to support the tax cut compromise, as President Obama faces criticism from congressional Democrats that he should have fought more for the Bush tax cuts on the middle class, and against the cuts for wealthier Americans.

The White House has two arguments for what they acknowledge are "frustrated" Democrats:

1) We wanted a fight on these tax cuts, and Congressional Democrats never took up the charge and held a vote;

2) This is a good deal -- and we weren't willing to let taxes go up on middle class Americans, or to deprive the unemployed of insurance benefits, just to prove a political point.

"We wanted a fight, the House didn't throw a punch," a senior White House official tells ABC News, pointing out that for months before the 2010 midterm elections, President Obama was making the case against the Bush tax cuts for wealthier Americans. "The House wouldn't vote before the Senate, and the Senate was afraid they'd lose a vote on it."

"It was like the Jets versus Sharks except there weren't any Jets," the official said. "Senator Schumer says he wants a fight? He couldn't hold his caucus together."

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/12/senior-white-house-official-we-wanted-a-fight-too-congressional-dems-wouldnt-throw-a-punch.html


Actually, this Senior White House Official appears to be right. See this thread for evidence - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x544619

Greg Sargent makes the case here, as well:

In defense of White House on Bush tax cuts
By Greg Sargent

With everybody beating up on Obama's handling of the Bush tax cuts fight, it's only fair to note one crucial thing in the White House's defense: It isn't Obama's fault that Congressional Democrats punted on holding a vote on just the middle class tax cuts before the election. Indeed, the White House appears to have wanted just the opposite.

As many commentators have noted already, the failure to do that vote left Dems with precious little leverage in the current lame-duck showdown over the tax cuts. As David Leonhardt argues today, Dems "had their chance to win on this issue." Before the election, forcing Republicans to vote on just the middle class tax cuts would have thrown them on the defensive. Now they can basically run out the clock.

It's important to remember that the White House is not to blame for this. My understanding from the reporting I did at the time is that White House officials repeatedly signaled to Dem Congressional leaders that they wanted the vote to happen. Nancy Pelosi, too, wanted it to happen. But she and Steny Hoyer ultimately deferred to moderate Dems who feared such a vote would allow Republicans to paint them as tax hikers. Dem leaders also worried that they might lose the vote, though it's unclear why this should have mattered: It still would have forced House GOPers to make a tough choice before the election.

It's also key to keep in mind that when the possibility of the vote was still hanging over the elections, Dems were on the offensive. They were winning. As Ezra Klein reminds us, Republicans were clearly caught in a bind. House GOPers like John Boehner and Dave Camp were actually saying they might vote with the Dems. That was a clear signal that Dems held the cards at the time. Yet they punted anyway. Now Republicans are in a stronger position: Dems have been "shellacked," Republicans are no longer facing an election, and the tight timing of the lame-duck session has given the GOP more leverage.

You could argue that the White House could have been more vocal about their desire for a pre-election vote or pushed Dem leaders harder to make it happen. But the White House was right to grant Congressional leaders the leeway to chart their own course. And at a certain point, it's tiresome to hear Dems blame the White House for their own lack of spine or leadership. Amid the roar of criticism of the White House, let's keep in mind that they aren't to blame for a key aspect of the Dems' current predicament.

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/in_defense_of_white_house_on_b.html
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:18 AM
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1. Veto pen broken? Stolen? Hand paralyzed? What?
total crap.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:28 AM
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4. DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES!!! THe spin doctors are out in full force.
We won! We won!
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:40 AM
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12. They vote, he vetoes. They vote he vetoes, they vote...

Meanwhile 2 MILLION people lose their unemployment. Russia expands its nuclear arsenal. Taxes go up for the poor.

And the GOP hammers the Dems 24/7 about how they raised taxes.....Yeah that's a smart strategy.

I'm angry he didn't fight more, sell the points regarding how the GOP is holding us hostage - but I'm OK with this.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:23 AM
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28. +1 n/t
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:37 PM
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40. Those damn lefties paralyzed him with anger!!!
:shrug:
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:21 AM
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2. Really? People making over $250,000 weren't all in on a plan to
tax people who made over $250,000? Perplexing.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 AM
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19. Government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, shall not perish....
Who benefits? Rich Democrats and Republicans. 2 sides, same coin.
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:25 AM
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3. I guess the House's vote for tax cuts only for $250K and under must have been a phantom punch.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:29 AM
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5. Come on ... they voted on that on Saturday.
What happened all of last year? Nada...
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:27 AM
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16. yeah, knowing there was no prayer that it'd get through the senate...
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:54 AM
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23. WHAT THE FRUCK?
Seriously ... The House at least passed a clean middle class cut bill ... Jesus, they the ONLY Ds here to try to get something right on this ...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 07:32 AM
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6. They'd be better off just keeping their mouths shut
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:10 AM
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27. I agree--don't start finger-pointing now. Suck it up and move on, everybody.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:32 AM
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31. Yes-they should just keep their mouths shut while everyone else and their mother dogs them out
Funny - they get beat up for being weak and not fighting back but when they have the nerve to just try to defend themselves - with a pretty strong argument, by the way - folks on their own team tell them to just shut the hell up.

And we wonder why people think the Dems are a mess . . .



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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:43 AM
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34. Fighting each other harder than we fight the Republicans...yeah, it's dumb
And the White House shouldn't be leading the way.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:57 PM
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39. Whether or not you think the WH should be engaged in a fight, they certainly aren't "leading the way
President Obama has been on the receiving end for months of abuse from some on the left, for whom he can do no right. Standing up and defending himself from this onslaught is hardly anything close to leading the fight.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:32 PM
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43. That's hilarious.
After reading 40 million DU posts on why don't the Democrats get their message out. Blah, blah, blah.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:07 AM
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7. Unrec the spin
:puke:

RL
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:23 AM
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14. Spin my ass. It's the truth.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:22 PM
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37. Yawn
:eyes:

RL
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:09 AM
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8. horseshit
so now they're going to try to blame congress again for their own backroom dealings.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:15 AM
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9. So why did Congress fail to do anything on taxes until this last minute lame duck session?
"It's all Obammer's fault!"
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:18 AM
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10. If Congressional Democrats could've made a better deal with the repubs
or forced through exactly what they want, why didn't they?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:31 AM
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11. Moderate Democrats === Damn Blue Dogs
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:05 AM
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13. I find it interesting that no matter what comes out that is in some way...
explaining what happened is immediately seen as some kind of "spin".

It should be known by now that PO can only do so much, and sadly, because of congressional inaction, the president is essentially forced into situations that appear to be detrimental to the country as a whole. The blame lies at the feet of congress, the president cannot make law. I am disgusted that one of my own senators is a piece of crap, (Ben Nelson, ?-NE), and I blame him for a lot of what has set the stage for the GOP being revived after it was gasping for breath.

I have noticed that a lot of people are not only single issue voters, but also display an astounding ignorance as to how the political process works. In saying that, I am not trying to be facetious, I am stating a fact. I read a ton of stuff that is posted on DU, and I've got to say, posting here, either griping or praising is cool, however, if this is the only place where people gripe or praise, they are not very effective at creating change.

To be sure, e-mailing, (somewhat effective); calling, (more effective); and hand written letters, (most effective except for face to face communication), does infinitely more for change than posting on DU. I don't know how many members get in touch with their congresscritters, but I can tell you that Nelson, Johanns and and the rat faced Adrian Smith, hear from me on a near continual basis. I can also tell you that I have received phone calls in return from those offices and have spoken to tall three of these individuals both on the phone and in person. When I go to local events with any of these people, I make sure I am armed with facts, to include a copy of their recent voting record, and I hold them to account. I give credit where credit is due, but most of the time, with facts as my armament, I fire them up, and on virtually every case I bring up, not just D's agree with me, but R's as well...(caveat, I take on Teabaggers on a one on one situation and they have never beaten me in a debate, in fact, I've had GOP people come up to me and thank me for shutting them down).

Here is my point, action works, posting on DU is fine, but if you don't back up what you say here with action, you do...essentially nothing. PO gets blamed for just about everything, even though an incredible amount of progress has been made. I consistently read all kinds of nasty stuff that generally is posted just to vent because of a perceived notion that PO is responsible for what has happened, when in reality, congressional D's rolled over and allowed the less than human clowns of the GOP set fire to country. If everyone in DU called their congress critters, we could make a huge impact on legislation...while we sit here and post a lot, be assured that R's are calling their clowns and making a stink. We must make sure that congresscritters, regardless of their party affiliation hear what We, the People, have to say. We can beat the GOP clowns to a pulp, but it won't be done on the pages of DU, it will be done by citizens that fight the horror that is the GOP.

I urge everyone to get on the phone, pick up a pen and put it to paper and e-mail your congresscritters and let them know they've done a good job in their voting, or they outright suck.

Just to make this a little easier for those who will act, if you go to this website, (Upper right, "Get Involved"), you can get a lot of info on how your elected official voted and there is contact info for all of them: http://www.congress.org/

Let's work together to crush the neo-con GOP!

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:35 AM
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32. I wish I could recommend your post
You should start a new thread with this point. It's a critical one that people need to hear.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:27 AM
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15. So it's actually the House Dems, lead by Pelosi/Hoyer, who CAVED! LOL
But, of course, progressives won't blame Pelosi/Hoyer because they'd prefer to fling hate on Obama even though he was pressuring them to call the vote! Progressives are no different than teabaggers, they're only happy when they have someone to hate and callnamed and oesn't matter much if the hatred is directed to the wrong person.

Nancy Pelosi, too, wanted it to happen. But she and Steny Hoyer ultimately deferred to moderate Dems who feared such a vote would allow Republicans to paint them as tax hikers. Dem leaders also worried that they might lose the vote, though it's unclear why this should have mattered: It still would have forced House GOPers to make a tough choice before the election.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:38 AM
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17. If the point is that the House and the Senate should have voted on the tax cuts BEFORE the elections
I cannot disagree with this. But, somehow, I cannot avoid to wonder whether they would have done so if the White House had been more insistant.

The other point is that the fact the House and Senate did not act in September (Shame on them) does not mean the White House is spotless. For at least two months, they have signaled they were ready to accept an agreement along the lines of the agreement that is proposed. Why would the Republican leadership have accepted less compromise than the White House was ready to offer?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:19 AM
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20. No, the same members who wanted to punk out on taxes were also
running away from Obama as fast as they could. If he endorsed pepperoni pizza, they'd want plain cheese.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:07 AM
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18. "the Democratic dukes and duchesses he raised gazillions of campaign dollars for this year,"
heh .... I like that part. ;)
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:22 AM
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21. Reid and Pelosi are the only ones who can call for a vote and they
waited until the lame duck session. In Pelosi's case, she waited until she is weeks away from losing control of the House. Yet it's somehow Obama's fault.

Sounds like someone needs to take some responsibility for their own displeasure.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:48 PM
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38. It was odd that Pelosi announced no tax vote before the elections

It probably wouldn't have ever passed without a compromise.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:22 AM
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22. They wanted a fight??
Then why didn't they push for it harder? And why did they make it so easy for Republicans who didn't control either chamber?

Why did they negotiate the house away just to get the sink? We should had been in the drivers seat and been able to have gotten a lot more than what we did and given them a lot less too.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:57 AM
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24. And they used the bully pulpit to hammer the naysayers? HuH? HuH? HuH? NOT!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 AM
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25. I blame all of them, but I really don't want to hear another whine out of Congressional Dems.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:07 AM by TwilightGardener
They could have brought this to a vote before the elections. They did not. They could have whipped their blue dogs into line. They did not. The time to complain and protest has passed.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:08 AM
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26. Bankrupty the country and screwing the economy is not "a political point". (nt)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:24 AM
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29. Absolutely shameless. Unrec n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:25 AM
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30. Congress needs to throw a punch at Obama now
they should have done it with the health reform and the war supplementals. I hope they do it now with this Bush crap.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:42 AM
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33. Um...you are aware that Congress is the entity who passes only the
most compromised forms of the Dem agenda, right? You are aware that we have folks like Nelson and Webb and Blue Dogs in the House who generally side with R's, right? House and Senate Dems have little discipline, they don't hold together as a block. This is what Obama has to work with.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:47 AM
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36. now it's their turn to get the 60-vote majority
and Pelosi still has a hefty majority too.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:47 AM
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35. i wondering if rachel says this how many on here will start calling
her names too.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:53 PM
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41. The confusion in the ranks is sown from the top down
and is rooted in the first major legislative showdown, HCR, which was hailed as a victory but was actually a defeat. The House did the right thing by making a strong bill on HCR in spite of vacant leadership. The WH and Senate destroyed cohesion and trust within the House during that debacle. The November bloodbath resulted in an understandable sense of betrayal by its members toward their party "leaders". And yet the WH is expecting to be led by what's left of its ragtag allies in the House who were just massacred on the battlefield due primarily to lack of leadership.

"'We wanted a fight, the House didn't throw a punch,' a senior White House official tells ABC News...", says the ballsy WH official who threw the anonymous sucker punch.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:29 PM
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42. my anger has been building.....this last "compromise" was my
critical mass....I blame the dems for blowing the chance they had and I blame the "leader" for caving AGAIN before the issue was debated...

call me whatever the hell name you want.....

...

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