President Obama has great disdain for progressives. His tone and his words have made it very

[Ninga]

clear.

He twisted our passion for the public option into an unrecognizable mumble jumble.

What the heck was THAT?

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[Dawgs]

15. What progress? The wealth gap is growing and the job market still sucks.

We still don't have an energy bill. Health care prices are still rising. The GLBT community is still waiting.

Must I go on?

[Beetwasher]

2. No, He's Lecturing You As A REAL Progressive, One That Actually MAKES PROGRESS

And does stuff instead of sitting around bitching on the internet.

[Dawgs]

16. Again, what progress for progressives?

Name three things that I should be happy about, as a progressive?

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[Dawgs]

29. Me "move the goal posts"? Holy shit!! Now I've seen it all.

Those are the best examples you could come up for progressive accomplishments with a super-majority congress and democratic president?

With expectations like that Democrats could give you shit in a bucket and you'd be happy.

[Beetwasher]

31. LOL! Oh, So They're Just Not PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH For You? And You're NOT Moving Goalposts???

:rofl:

You asked, I delivered, but they are NOT progressive enough for you! Pretty much the definition of moving the goalposts there, cupcake.

[Dawgs]

34. Democrats acting and voting like Nixon is moving the goalposts to the right.

I just want to keep them left of center.

[Beetwasher]

35. Lilly Ledbetter, Alnternative Energy Investment, Elizabeth Warren ALL Hardcore Progressive Stuff!!

But NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Not for YOU! WAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! :rofl:

[Dawgs]

41. Not nearly enough with the kind of majority they had for two years.

I guess some of us are just more informed on how fucked we really are in this country.

[Beetwasher]

47. Noooo!!! You're Not Moving Goalposts!!! ROFL!!!!!

[dionysus]

54. we only had that majority on paper. real dems - (blue dogs + lieberman) < 60 votes

[Ninga]

36. Yes, bills were delivered, but in the scheme of things given the majority in both

houses, and knowing it was short lived, much of the political capital of the 2008 election was left on the table and President Obama didn't take the GOP to task by stepping up to the bully pulpit in prime time to tell the people what was what.

This WH stood by while the teabaggers and GOP co-opted the message and re-framed the talking points to make HCR a bad actor.

Obama did not sell HCR. But he sure found his voice at the podium today to scold, of all people, progressives who want a seat at the table for ALL people.

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[Dawgs]

44. No. It couldn't be any farther from perfect.

Quit embarrassing yourself with the "major progress" bullshit.

[Beetwasher]

48. Says Mr. "I'm Not Moving Goalposts!!!" ROFL

After he moves them into the next solar system!

[Union Scribe]

50. Have you ever spoken to anyone

about your anger? I'm being serious. You're one of the angriest people I've ever seen.

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[CakeGrrl]

3. It was a reasonable explanation for the assholish behavior of Republicans

but you wanted to hear that he hates Progressives so you could continue to hate on him.

When are people going to actually LISTEN to what is being said?

[Ninga]

Did you hear what he said about progressives and the public option? I guess that was OK with you.

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[CakeGrrl]

22. Swing and miss. n/t

[Dawgs]

25. Based on your response I think I hit a grand slam. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

30. Nope. I totally stand by my response to the OP. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

4. He was correct in his assessment.

Deal with it....since that's what he's doing; dealing with us.

Primary him if you'd like....

but the truth is that many Progressives here don't believe that the Health Care bill
was any good at all.

And now, it's more of the same....

always about what we didn't get,
never about what we got.

Progressives bolted from here just yesterday talking about being "done".
That was based on their distain of the President's actions.
and yet, you point your finger at him instead.
Why?

[Dawgs]

10. Frenchie, he promised a public option when we had 60 votes in the Senate and reconciliation.

Don't give us this shit about being happy with what we got. That shipped sailed long ago.

[FrenchieCat]

18. I'm for progress, period.

Whether I get it all or just some, moving forward is the goal.....

You don't have to like it, and in fact I see you don't. That's your right.

My right is to continue working toward progress instead of cutting off my nose
to spite someone. Spite and disgust doesn't amount to progress.....it only
amounts to what we saw in November; folks defeating themselves to make a point
that doesn't help anyone, and then pointing the finger in blame, as though
that's an answer.

[Dawgs]

21. I disagree that we're moving forward, but that's not the point.

The point is that he got more angry, passionate, and condescending towards progressives than he ever does against republicans.

I'm happy, like you, that we got health care reform, but it easily could have been more. Until someone proves to me otherwise, we had 50 votes for a public option. That is something he insisted he wanted, and the only information I've seen regarding dropping it was his promise to the insurance companies. That was the specific thing he mentioned in his press conference. Now, do you know something I don't? Because, if not, I'm going to continue to stay pissed.

[FrenchieCat]

23. You can disagree.......and stay pissed

meanwhile, "My point" is that the middle class with not see their taxes raised,
and instead they will be lowered, and the unemployed will get an extension.

See, the difference between "your point" and mine greatly differ.
Yours is more about you, mine is more about all Americans.
WHy does that make you the Liberal......?
See, I don't think it does.....just because you think so.

[Dawgs]

28. Really? I'm pissed because I see ALL AMERICANS being damaged by the wealth gap Obama is extending.

I'm pissed because I see ALL AMERICANS benefiting from a public option.

I'm pissed because I see ALL AMERICANS (minus the rich) working harder for less without more progressive/liberal policies.

I'm pissed because the Democrats had a super majority and pissed it away be giving in to the minority Republicans.

And now I have to listen to someone I supported for two years yell at me more than the Republicans because I want a more progressive world for ALL PEOPLE.

Don't you fucking dare act like you care about all Americans, and I don't. You're better than that.

[PassingFair]

33. One step forward, TWO STEPS BACK.

That's NOT progress.

The republicans view this as win/win.

[dionysus]

55. we never had 60 votes for a public option.

[Ninga]

56. That needed to be decided in the light of day, and on the record. Not taken off the table before

serious negotiations even began.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

88. Why?

Tell me, how would that have changed the outcome? Is kabuki theatre that important to you?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

58. i assume you counted the blue dogs in amongst those 60

wasn't it this site who almost always considered the blue dogs as republicans during the bush years since they almost always supported them?

When exactly did the blue dogs swap from being 'almost republicans' to 'loyal democrats'?

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[Dawgs]

5. Be a good Democrat and take what we can get dammit.

Forget about having a super majority and all that political capital crap.

[AndrewP]

73. +1

[Phx_Dem]

6. Who can blame him? And he's not alone. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

7. Pfft.

[Pisces]

8. No , just disdain for purist who put politics over people. Same as me.

[Dawgs]

11. So, like him, you're more angry with progressives than Republicans.

Cause that was the only time he got angry and loud in the presser.

[Pisces]

24. On this board I am sick of the purists who put politics over people. In life the republican

get the majority of my disdain.

[niceypoo]

78. "politics over people" is a nice talking point but...

...you cant 'slogan away' reality. This bill hurts, not helps, the unemployed.

Two more years of Bush tax cuts = two more years of continued unemployment and falling wages. Bush tax cuts caused all of this economic collapse. More Bush tax cuts will only make it last longer. The cancer is not the cure.

[FrenchieCat]

9. As a progressive, what progress have you achieved.......

or what progress has those like you accomplished?

Please provide us with a list.....

[Ninga]

14. Were FDR and LBJ progressive for their time? Did Truman take to the air waves to

tell the public about the no-nothing GOP? What about civil rights? How progressive was that? What about Medicare...progressive or not?

The last President who had progressive leanings was LBJ. It certainly wasn't Carter and for sure, not Clinton.

[BklnDem75]

32. Why so many primaries for LBJ again?

For such a great progressive, the hardest blows that did him in came from the left.

[Ninga]

38. THE WAR did him in, not his progressive Great Society programs....

[BklnDem75]

46. Correction, Anti-war

Who tends to be progressives more than any other group.

[Creideiki]

57. More progressive than any other group? That would be the LGBT community

Of course, it's easier to see the value in progress when you're getting shat upon constantly by the people who claim to support you.

Then again, the LGBT community tends to be anti-war. And pro-union. And pro-women's rights. And pro-African American rights. And pro-Hispanic rights. And, and, and...

And then our rights come up for a vote and the people we support and protect are nowhere to be found to support and protect us.

[BklnDem75]

67. Um...

I'm talking political ideology and I'm talking 1968.

[Creideiki]

71. I forgot. There were no gay people in 1968

Definitely not Bayard Rustin. Nope. None.

And the LGBT people who were out in the early days of the most modern attempt at civil rights weren't anti-war.

Right?

I'm sorry, I'll have to forget everything. Please let me know when you're done rewriting history.

[BklnDem75]

74. Once again...

I'm talking political ideology, but thanks for hijacking the discussion.

[Whisp]

12. That was magnificent is what that was.

He spoke the truth. Things work incrementally, unions, medicare, etc etc etc., and health care will now have a chance to be improved upon.

The purists don't want the hard long fight, they want something that, historically, is almost impossible.

obama is the adult. the repugs and some of the so called left are the spoiled children stamping their little feet

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. He is a pragmatist, something abhorred by both liberals and conservatives

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. caving in to stupid economic ideas, bad policy, this is

how you define pragmatism?

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. Extending unemployment benefits and middle class tax cuts is not bad policy

[Supersedeas]

91. Or as Elijah Cummings put it -- disrespecting the very people who put him in office by not

consulting them prior to announcing that a deal had been struck.

[otohara]

17. Someone Has "Changed"

who is this guy?

[jefferson_dem]

27. Have you not been paying attention?

Go back and watch his speech at DNC 2004 and tell us who has (and hasn't) changed.

[Supersedeas]

77. we learn as we go

[WI_DEM]

39. well then it's mutual

many progressives on DU have attacked Obama since day one.

[yurbud]

40. the contrast with how h talked about the GOP was really breath-taking.

If he spoke with half that passion about the extremism of the GOP, he wouldn't have to compromise so much.

[FrenchieCat]

43. Same could be said with how you have posted against this President

going on two years now!

Seems like that is where your passion lies.....
Does that make you better.....the fact that you started your passion
so much long ago? :shrug:

[yurbud]

62. why are you keeping track? Do you think I would complain if he took a stand on something

progressive and made conservatives move to the back of the bus for once?

[phleshdef]

51. Um, he called them bombthrowing obstructionists and insinuated that they bitch and don't govern.

But don't let that stop you from getting your feelings all hurt when he spoke the truth about you.

[yurbud]

63. he was on point about the GOP, but far more passionate about dissing his progressive base.

[TheWebHead]

42. he was exercising his frustration that

his unappreciative base is genetically dispositioned to bitch and moan no matter what the outcome short of 100% of what they want in their own Alice in Wonderland worlds, ignoring political realities.

[Dawgs]

45. Really?

So, you're okay with him shitting on his most passionate supporters with more anger than he's ever shown against the Republicans? Really?

[young but wise]

65. I'm okay with it because I understand where he's coming from.

[elizm]

49. Yea, well, I am developing the same distain rather quickly myself. nt

[glitch]

59. Mutual.

Sorry, but there it is. Not really helpful is it?

[Teaser]

53. you guys make me laugh

I'm a progressive, but all the tears and moaning over the be verbal beatdown that just got delivered unto you is LOLtastic.

[Union Scribe]

60. Then why did you say "you" and not "us"?

[2Design]

61. really loves the blue dogs so maybe that is what he really is

[catgirl]

66. Did he have the votes?

No. To answer your question to "What the heck was THAT?". Maybe you need to educate yourself on politics before spewing
this crap.

[Dawgs]

68. Then he should have gotten the votes, or done something else.

He's pathetic.

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69. I wonder what side of the formula he would have taken during the Civil Rights era?

I really don't know anymore.

[dave29]

72. ...

wow

[CakeGrrl]

75. Too bad for you if you are really that confused.

[akbacchus_BC]

81. He would have been side by side with Malcolm X and MLK, need you ask?

[FrenchieCat]

76. If you want to see what "real" disdain looks like,

just read the last 2 years worth of DU posts, including your own.

[niceypoo]

79. Or listen to Obama and his administration whenever they discuss Liberalism and the left.

[akbacchus_BC]

80. Assuming the President sold you out, what have you done so far

to reverse his decision? Numbnuts!

Stop pounding the keyboard and crying for the whambulance, get out and make a difference if you feel so disenfranchised!

[akbacchus_BC]

82. You need to go sit down and breathe! What passion you had?

[boppers]

83. How much respect did bomb-throwing progressives have for Obama?

The "every opinion is inferior to my own" crowd does not deserve respect when they refuse to grant it to others.

It doesn't matter if the arrogance is Beck or Cenk, a disrespectful bomb-thrower is not making progress... as noise is not progress.

[akbacchus_BC]

84. You know, it is DU and one cannot really express how we feel on

here, but the shit that is allowed on DU is unbelievable! They bash this President as though he is their yard boy and DU keeps making changes to its rules. Am so tired of this shit on here. Gotta find me a different site where President Obama is not bashed 24/7!

[boppers]

85. I don't mind the well thought "bash".

It's the pile-on bashings that make me hit "ignore".

An enterprising person could certainly come up with other options, as many have.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

86. He has disdain for childish assholes who just so happen to be progressive.

That's very different from saying he has disdain for progressives.

[polichick]

89. That was the prez positioning himself to win back indies at our expense...

He should finally be happy - the bullies he's been desperate to reach finally think he's doing the right thing.

[krawhitham]

90. if progressives are what we have here on DU then

GOOD FOR HIM

I'm more than happy just being a raging liberal, you people are crazy, tea party crazy