He gets feisty about being criticized from the left

[BeyondGeography]

Absurd.

Tear the Republicans a new one like you just did to progressive Democrats and they'll STFU.

[craigmatic]

1. That's what I got out of it too.

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[jaxx]

9. The message was heard.

I guess they can't take it when it's pointed out that their game is in the open.

[Ninga]

3. Right ON!!

[chimpymustgo]

4. I'm stunned at that performance. Just fucking stunned. And BG, I know your history.

You've been on the O-team from the beginning.

[BeyondGeography]

6. True, and I am watching this car crash in slow motion

Unbelievable.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Wait until he sees what the left does in 2012

Today will look like a day at the beach.

[CakeGrrl]

11. You mean wait to see what the Left does TO ITSELF in 2012.

If the general thought process is going the way it's going on this board today, and I hope it's not, then they'll be a lot of self-inflicted wounds to the Left's collective foot as they shockingly sit around and wonder how the Right got full control of the U.S. government again.

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. Time to think about a challenger in 2012.

I'm about done with what we have now.

[MrsCorleone]

23. Whoooooooo hoooooooo!

Can't wait till the people of the Internets tear down Obama, with the help of the Heritage Foundation, and deliver to us all Prez Thune or Romney!

:rofl:

Thanks for your help!

[Laelth]

41. I would prefer Sherrod Brown, thank you.

If you prefer Thune or Romney, that's your choice, but I would keep that to yourself if I were you.

-Laelth

[RichGirl]

50. I love Sherrod Brown...

He would run a great campaign and if elected....he would be quick to find out that promises are easier said than done. That being president is a huge job, with challenges and opposition that make it near impossible to do anything. And the left will be there to pound him into the ground.

[MrsCorleone]

54. Perhaps I should have added the

:sarcasm:

I thought hyperbole would suffice.

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. No problem.

He'll tear himself down, the way he's going.

He isn't the only Dem qualified for the office, you know.

[Arkana]

63. Got a name besides

the completely unviable Dean, Feingold, Kucinich, or Grayson?

[CakeGrrl]

66. Somebody had better do more than THINK about it, then

But you know what?

I'll bet all your wish list picks, who have more savvy about what actually goes on in Washington than any keyboard warrior here, will probably make the calculation that cannot be made here: That President Obama is doing as well as anyone CAN be doing in Washington with the Republican party. I'll bet they have a good measure of what it realistically takes to make things happen, and that is just not going to jibe with the prevailing vision, such that it is, on this forum.

[Laelth]

40. It appears the right already has full control of the government.

What would us liberals be losing, exactly?

-Laelth

[Dawgs]

47. Ah, so it's not Obama's fault if the left doesn't like him continuously bowing to the right.

That makes sense.

[stranger81]

61. Why does it matter whether Repugs retake control, when our Dems are going to legislate

exactly the same way?



:shrug:

[eleny]

7. Yeah, I'm shaking like a leaf - *not*

[Parker CA]

8. It is strange that the harshest tone and most pointed language landed against our side as opposed

the R's. He did drop some language on the R's, but not nearly as forcefully as that last bit regarding criticism from the left. If he could use that language toward the R's I think we'd all be jumping up and down in support.

Curious to see how this will play, but I've got a strong idea of how it will go.

[ellie]

10. I just e-mailed the White House

again to tell them what a disappointment he is. He was probably yelling at me for complaining.

[CakeGrrl]

12. No shit. When you have to fight asshole Republicans and are

told by the Left that you suck while you're trying to do that, it's got to be fucking annoying.

Go primary him if you think that's gonna fix the problem. See where that takes you.

[frylock]

45. poor little fella

[CakeGrrl]

68. Yeah, yeah - he asked for the job, blah blah blah

Thing is, he made the point that none of you will acknowledge: You will NOT be happy with anyone you try to send to Washington with your expectations.

You may support someone who says something that sounds worth supporting - based on what? If they haven't done the job before, there's no way in hell they can know how their plan will play out.

But, oh, when they have to actually govern in the real world, they may not execute on their plan as scheduled, or the returns will take longer, and then they'll end up on the DU chopping block.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Supersedeas]

55. kind of like the don't like it, then leave the country crowd we heard during W's terms

[CakeGrrl]

69. Basically my response #68. n/t

[ProSense]

13. Sounds like he was

defending the fact that he signed into law a bill that everyone from Feingold to Sanders referred to as historic. Grayson said it will save millions of lives.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Here's the problem: The intensity that we all want to see from him is aimed at his own side

Not the Republicans, the most useless and destructive party in the developed world.

[ProSense]

16. Well,

some of the attacks from the left have been vicious so expect him to reject the viciousness. Seriously, he expects nasty from the right, but why should he expect the nasty name calling from the left simply because a bill doesn't go far enough?

[BeyondGeography]

18. Again, he can get nasty with anybody for being unfair

But he has never done it to the other guys. Not like that, and certainly not at any time during this sad tax non-debate.

It's a problem.

[ProSense]

35. "But he has never done it to the other guys. "

Not accurate.

But he has never done it to the other guys.

Obama slams GOP for obstructing economic progress

Obama Blasts Republican Economic Policies: GOP 'Snake Oil' Could Jeopardize Economy

[BeyondGeography]

36. Canned speeches vs. real fire

Lots of people recognize the difference.

[ProSense]

38. So now it's a matter of where he slams Republicans?

Should I get examples of him doing in "real fire"?

[BeyondGeography]

39. Look, go over to Kos and see the effect his performance today is having

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/7/926577/-King-of-Flip-Flops:-Barack-Obama

Check out the comments once the presser is winding down.

If a ranting and raving and aliented blogosphere is what you want, fine. Obama volunteered today for this exercise in ill will. If he thinks it's good politics, I wish him the best.

[ProSense]

46. Kos is bugging

He has adopted the FDL/Cenk method of outrage generating.

[NYCGirl]

20. Or, perhaps that's all you hear. NT

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[BeyondGeography]

32. I'm in the gulag now...oh well

FYI, have not flipped at all.

Believe it or not, some criticism is designed to be legitimate and helpful.

[FrenchieCat]

37. And so I'm glad that this President is allowed to criticize those who

should be supporting him, but rarely do.

If I saw folks who were supposed to be on my side,
always kicking me in the ass, because what I was doing for them was
never what they considered enough....
at some point, I'd say fuck you too!

He already knows that this is a 2 party country and the other side
ain't ever going away.....
He just never figured that his own side would work hand in hand with the other
side but from a different direction.

We insist that he kisses our ass, and kicks theirs,
while we continue to kick his ass every minute of the day,
right along with the opposition! And yet we insist on being the
victim betrayed.....all the while our foot is still way up in there.

[Laelth]

42. I think Sherrod Brown would make a better President. n/t

-Laelth

[Arkana]

64. He was asked a question and he answered it.

If he was asked how he felt about Republican obstructionism, do you honestly think his answer would have been different? He expects the shit-flinging from them because they're too stupid to know better. But getting it from his own side when he's trying to govern is probably not something he expected.

[truthspeak]

17. As usual the left are still NOT listening to Obama

Incredible, he made some brilliant points there and they still wont listen to him...just mad their feelings got hurt. lol

[BrklynLiberal]

22. LOL..All along I sort of felt it was the other way around...

Frum was 100% correct.

The repukes fear their base. The Dems hate their base.

[Ninga]

26. I don't want him to fight because of my feelings. I want him to fight because it is the

right thing to do.

The minute he found out (weeks ago) that the GOP was going to hold unemployment hostage in exchange for keeping tax cuts, he should have hit the air ways with the same tone and the same disdain for the GOP as he displayed toward progressives moments ago.

It was uncalled for.

[BrklynLiberal]

34. +1000

[Dawgs]

48. +10000

After that performance, I'm done with him.

[young but wise]

43. +1

Truth hurts.

[Dawgs]

49. Which points? He had the votes for the public option. We were right. He was wrong.

Proof?????

[polichick]

19. Yeah, and this after not including Dems in his deal-making. The presser itself...

...seems like a tactic to pressure those same Dems.

Which side is he really on?

[BrklynLiberal]

21. Remind me folks...Was it the Left or the repukes that helped to elect Mr. Obama????

[calimary]

24. Checkmate.

Who brought you to the dance, Mr. President?

[MissDeeds]

30. Yup

And he's danced with everyone else but the ones who brought him.

:grr:

[FrenchieCat]

27. With both having inserted their foot up Obama's ass for nealy two years now.......

Doesn't matter.

Making outlandish demands, and expecting everything, and liking nothing
makes one not that much better than Republicans.

As for who helped elect President Obama, it wasn't only those who have been
whining for the past 2 years about everything. They only seem to think so.

[ProSense]

28. You forgot an important point

The majority of people on the left aren't calling him names, attacking him and rejecting his accomplishments. That was the context.

[BrklynLiberal]

33. I am not so sure that is true...and even if there is no actual "name calling"

there sure is a strong tide of disappointment, frustration and downright mindbogglng amazement at what became of the candidate that we voted for.

[Dawgs]

51. The majority of people on the left AREN'T paying attention.

NY Times Reporter Confirms Obama Made Deal to Kill Public Option
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html

[ProSense]

53. Sorry,

that's the same dumb spin that was debated. As Krugman said, how can anyone expect the President to make Lieberman less like Lieberman.

[phleshdef]

58. It was a lot of people who were/are on unemployment.

[Arkana]

65. This is right-wing demagoguery right here.

He's President of the United States, not the President of the People Who Elected Him or the President of the People Who Agree With DU Poster BrklynLiberal. He's not beholden to anyone.

[budkin]

29. I'm tired of that bullshit

[jenmito]

31. Wouldn't YOU feel the same way about your supposed allies turning against you?

[Dawgs]

52. No. I'd be a lot more angry at those that wish I was dead - like the Republicans.

We just want him to do the right thing.

[jenmito]

56. But he EXPECTS the bashing/attacking from the right. He gets just as much,

if not MORE bashing/attacking from the left (except from me and others) for not being able to accomplish all of his goals (thanks largely to the Dem.-controlled Congress).

[ibegurpard]

57. yeah, why do you think i'm so pissed at him?

[jenmito]

59. Because you have misplaced "pissed-dom." n/t

[ClarkUSA]

60. He did. He said Republicans were "hostage takers" whose economic policy = tax cuts to the wealthy.

Here are some more facts for ya:

"First, the votes weren't there for Democrats. On Saturday, Senate Republicans -- assisted by a handful of Democrats -- filibustered two amendments that would have 1) extended the Bush tax cuts only for those making less than $250,000 and 2) extended them for those making less than $1 million. And if Democrats don't have the votes now, they certainly won't have them next year when the next Congress convenes. Second, the employment situation is worse off than anyone would have expected a year ago, and that has put an enormous amount of pressure on Democrats not to change the current tax policy, even if the facts don't necessarily fit the narrative that tax cuts create jobs. If the economy was creating 200,000 to 300,000 jobs per month -- instead of the 39,000 in November -- Democrats would have a stronger argument to let the cuts expire."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/12/06/why_obama_will_break_a_campaign_promise.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

[Arkana]

62. He's done so, multiple times, and it's been proven time and time again

that they do NOT shut up.

Do you recall when he went into their House get-together and fucking ate their Froot Loops? They just kept on yapping.

[ruggerson]

67. Recommended

n/t