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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:22 PM
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If this deal is so bad why does the far right hate it including the tea party
and on the far left they hate it and polling shows most Americans support the deal.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:24 PM
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1. Because it comes from Obama
Don't you get it yet?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:47 PM
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9. Yep
Obama could reduce tax rate to zero and the tea-baggers would still oppose it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:25 PM
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2. False equivalency.
NGU.

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:27 PM
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3. It seems to be on the menu today.
I've been seeing it quite a lot.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:30 PM
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4. Kinda fascinating to read Jim Demint's objections, though
He's mad because

- the tax cuts weren't made "permanent"
- unemployment insurance got extended.

He has some kind of crazy idea that unemployment out to be turned into a "Loan Program"


DeMint a "NO" On Tax Deal
December 08, 2010 9:05 AM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/12/demint-a-no-on-tax-deal.html

<SNIP>

“Most of us who ran this election said we weren’t going to vote for anything that increased the deficit. This does.” DeMint said this morning on the Hugh Hewitt radio show.

He doesn’t like the fact that the tax cut extension is temporary and he doesn’t like the extension of unemployment insurance.

“I don’t think we need to extend unemployment any further without paying for it, and without making some modifications such as turning it into a loan at some point. It then encourages people to go back to work,” DeMint said. “The biggest problem I have, Hugh, is we don’t need a temporary economy, which means we don’t need a temporary tax rate. A permanent extension of our current tax rates would allow businesses to plan five and ten years in advance, and that’s how you build an economy.”

Even the estate tax provision – which has enraged liberals because it would cut the scheduled increase in the estate tax from 55 percent to 35 percent and only apply it to estates valued at over $5 million – doesn’t satisfy DeMint.

“It raises the death tax,” DeMint says, presumably because this year, in an anomaly, the estate tax is zero percent.

Could this be the beginning of a conservative revolt against the deal? Probably not. But DeMint is not alone here. The conservative group Club for Growth – which supported a lot conservative Republicans in this year’s election, is also opposed.

“This is bad policy, bad politics, and a bad deal for the American people,” said Club for Growth President Chris Chocola. “The plan would resurrect the Death Tax, grow government, blow a hole in the deficit with unpaid-for spending, and do so without providing the permanent relief and security our economy needs to finally start hiring and growing again.”
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:36 PM
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5. polling shows most americans
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:36 PM by bowens43
support allowing the tax breaks for the top 2% to expire.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:43 PM
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6. Yep. Overwhelmingly.
We heard the same BS during the HCR debate "If it's so bad, then why do the Insurance companies hate it?" The insurance companies were popping the bubbly the minute it passed!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:09 PM
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8. But no one seems to establish at what price? The MC tax cuts that the House promised them last week?
Un-employment benefits?

Nobody asks the complicated questions:
- Prioritize this stuff
- If you had to give up one to get the other two, which would it be?
- Which will you give up under NO circumstances?
- WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO SEEN ANY OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID HAPPEN?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:58 PM
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11. No it doesn't. Gallup shows 66 percent support extending ALL tax cuts
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 06:59 PM by Phx_Dem
including those for the upper 2 percent for 2 more years, and that includes 52 percent of Dems and 67 percent Independents.

You can always poll shop to find something somewhere that supports what you want it to.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145109/Americans-Support-Major-Elements-Tax-Compromise.aspx
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:03 AM
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16. sure can
that's why no one takes the polls you and your buddies are constantly stoking seriously
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:03 PM
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7. Right hates it because it's "Socialism" for the Un-Employed. Left hates it because it is Socialism
for plutocrats.
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tickledropstop Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:47 PM
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10. Have you watched Foxed News -- ALL OF THEM LOVE THE DEAL!!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:51 AM
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15. Don't watch that show. It's garbage. n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:25 PM
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12. They like the extended tax cuts for the wealthy. They hate the extended unemployment
INSURANCE benefits for the unemployed and all the other tax credit stuff that Republicans hate. They are charlatans, not to mention, BIGOTS!!
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Budgies Revenge Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:52 PM
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13. I didn't know there was such a thing
as a tax credit republicans hated.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:54 PM
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14. Let me put it this way: they *SAY* that they prefer tax cuts to tax credits.
But the history of their actions speaks otherwise. In other words, they are full of shit. But we already know that...
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:09 AM
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17. the unemployment extension
was the issue many on the right didn't like and there wasn't any "cut as you go" offsets in spending to pay for the tax deal... but that will be the interesting thing to watch in 2011, what will they propose to cut/freeze, assuming they follow through on promises to cut spending.
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