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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:31 AM
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The middle class will not need their taxcut two years from now?
The President and the Democrats say they will let the Bush taxcuts die in two years. Will not the middle class need those taxcuts even more two years from now?

Do they expect employers to give raises to make up for these taxcuts?

How do the Democrats counter the Republican argument that this will be a tax increase on the middle class, two years from now?

We are only digging ourselves into a deeper hole.

We should attempt to climb out while we have the chance.

This is a bottomless pit.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:33 AM
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1. The idea is that in a better economic atmosphere which Obama is certainly hoping for in 2012
that there will be more clout behind ending the tax cuts for the rich and making the tax cuts for the middle class permanent. I don't think they are just planning to scrap the middle class tax cut.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:37 AM
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3. Will not the Repubs have the same argument?
No taxcuts for the middle class if there are no taxcuts for the wealthy? The only difference is that the Democrats may be in charge of nothing.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:42 AM
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6. There will not be a middle class only tax cut extension in 2 years
The Repub's will be in control of the House. Obama got a crappy deal with us in control of the House. What do you think he'll get in two years?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:36 AM
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2. No, they will all be working
jobs are being created from the tax cuts to the rich on a vast scale.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:37 AM
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4. Sorry.
I forgot how trickle down really works.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:44 AM
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8. Wait 2 years, gravy will be falling from
the sky. So much so that they will take an unusual step and rescind the tax break for the rich.:rofl: We all know these tax breaks are only temporary. If they are not,whats 10 years, 2 years, 4 years, permanent all in the grand scheme of things? :shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:38 AM
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5. How does this mesh with the idea
of letting them expire now?

Why would they need them in two years if they don't need them now?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:42 AM
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7. Can you clarify your question??
??
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:49 AM
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10. OK
Do you believe they should be allowed to expire now?

If yes, how does the OP point mesh with the idea of letting them expire now?

Why would they need them even more in two years if they don't need them now?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:56 AM
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11. Nobody says they don't need them.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 10:57 AM by kentuck
The taxcuts replaced pay raises for many folks. I don't expect that to change in the next two years. The point is that Democrats will be in a much weaker position two years from now, most likely, and they have blown the chance to let the Bush taxcuts expire, middle class and all. Nobody says it would be painless. There is pain in a recession or depression, whatever you wish to call it. It would be nice if there was no pain. But it is for the future good. As it is, we are taking a poison pill.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:44 AM
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9. The middle clas will be non-existent
if the right has their way.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:57 AM
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12. I agree that it's a bottomless pit. Obama's trading short-term gain for long-term pain.
I also think the payroll tax holiday is a bad idea in the long run. For one thing, even billionaires will benefit from it, although it's just a drop in the bucket compared to their other tax breaks. In addition, it will not do much to stimulate the economy, will add to the deficit (which Social Security has never done before), and will be hard to end after just one year. Republicans will portray it as a massive tax increase on the middle class. By the 2012 election, they'll have half of America believing that Obama raised their taxes by 50 percent.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:00 AM
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13. I'd rather see Bush's tax cuts expire NOW for everyone, rather than
make deals with the Republicans that benefit the rich far more than they benefit the middle class.

Great question, btw, kentuck.
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