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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:23 AM
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Obama signalling loud and clear he is hostile to Social Security
His is the kind of Democrat that values "growth" and "competitiveness". These are not just rhetorical ploys, these are his values. He is a pro-corporate, pro-rich, DLC, Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman Democrat.

I'm frightened by this kind of Democrat. I'm going to do what I can not to be dependent on Social Security, but that is not entirely in my control. I don't even have a job now.

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/10/131949362/transcript-obama-on-taxes-economy-and-start

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OBAMA: And so the payroll tax provision that is included in this package is going to help spark economic growth that will help. Now, it doesn't solve our medium- and long-term problems, so we're going to still have to make some very tough decisions — and these, too, are going to be unpopular.

And I promise, I'm going to get criticism from Democrats and Republicans throughout the year in terms of the choices that I am going to be forcing Congress to take a square look at. Because, look, the fact of the matter is that for a decade now, we have had the tendency to think that we can keep on having all the services we want and we keep them — can keep cutting taxes as much as we want and that somehow things are going to magically balance out.

The American people understand that's not the case, and so we're going to have to be responsible about thinking: What are the programs we don't need, that don't contribute to growth, don't contribute to competitiveness, don't make sure our kids are — aren't contributing to making sure that our kids are learning and able to compete in this 21st century economy, and which things are vital investments that we have to make?

And that conversation is going to be one that can't just happen in Washington; it's going to happen all across the country. And I'm looking forward to leading that conversation.

INSKEEP: Won't Republicans argue — and, in fact, won't reality argue that any cuts will have to be even deeper because this package that you're pushing for now will mean there's even less government revenue?

OBAMA: Actually, I think that if you talk to economists, both conservative and liberal, what they'll say is the problem is not next year. The problem is, how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit, and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit? And most of that has to do with entitlements, particularly Social Security and Medicaid.
We've made some progress as a consequence of my health care bill in identifying areas where we can start bending the cost curve on health care. But we're going to have some more work to do across the budget.

I think there's going to have to be a fundamentally different approach to things. And I described earlier what I think that approach has to be. It's not an issue of big government versus small government. It's an issue of smart government.

But there are very few people who think that we would be better off if we've got a contracting economy or economy that's growing very little over the next year — that that somehow is going to be good for our deficit.

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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:26 AM
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1. well if this is the case ..we better start looking for another
candidate, and or party
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:26 AM
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2. Does he not realize Social Security is NOT a
fucking entitlement? :mad: This is appalling.
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:52 AM
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15. Of course Social Security is an entitlement.
But maybe you don't know what the word means. From dictionary.com:


Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
Function: noun
1 : the state or condition of being entitled : CLAIM entitlement to money seized — National Law Journal >
2 : a right to benefits that is granted esp. by law or contract (as an insurance policy)
NOTE: Some courts have held that entitlements are a property interest and therefore subject to procedural due process under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution when denied by federal or state governments.
3 : a government program that provides benefits to members of a group that has a statutory entitlement; also : the benefits distributed by such a program

Which part of the definition in bold are you disputing? Social Security is obviously a government program which distributes benefits. Are you arguing that the recipients of those benefits don't have a legal right (statutory entitlement) to them?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:58 AM
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22. BS. Maybe you don't know what Social Security is.
You ought to fucking look it up. It's not a fucking entitlement program such as welfare and food stamps.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:59 AM
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23. Really? An entitlement? When YOU are funding your own SS retirement
with....wait for it....payroll deductions of YOUR OWN PAYCHECK???????????????????

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:03 AM
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25. Yeah how about that
what a steaming pile of bullshit.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:13 AM
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28. This is how far we've fallen.
Someone who doesn't know that SS is not an entitlement program. Like Obama, he's bought the lie.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:36 AM
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31. Because they are repeating the republicans, Wall Streets,
and the major medias idea that they are "entitled" to steal loans from the program. Bought the lie? Hell they help spread the lie.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:28 AM
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:29 AM
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4. Dunno your analysis feels like a stretch or maybe a non-sequiter
I see for one thing a committement to education funding (inc low interest college loans for example.)

When he talks about Social Security and Medicare he bring up the example of HCR - which cut Medicare FRAUD. It didn't cut medicare services, and seniors are actually getting good some breaks with the new law.
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:31 AM
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5. Wow, you are reaching.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:53 AM
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16. Really, and I think you need glasses because a blind person, if read
to or with the use of braile would be able to tell which program he was referring to.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:56 AM
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20. Message deleted put in wrong spot
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 10:57 AM by merbex
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:36 AM
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30. Whatever.
I have 20/20 vision, and I can see this op is full shit.
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whyverne Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:38 AM
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6. Sorry, does not compute. n/t
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:38 AM
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7. What is wrong with growth and competitiveness?
No person could be elected President without valuing both of those things. The American people absolutely expect the President to try to grow the economy and keep us competitive in the world.

What would you prefer? Stagnation and being uncompetitive?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:44 AM
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10. there is something VERY wrong with valuing it too much
we have important institutions in this country that impede growth and competitiveness somewhat, but are VERY important to working people. The Democrats are supposed to stand for protecting and expanding those institutions. We put most of them in place in the first place. That's why I'm a Democrat.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:49 AM
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13. You realize that...
...good Democratic/progressive policies lead to MORE growth and increased competitiveness right?
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:40 AM
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8. Give me a break... there is NOTHING in there that indicates what you're saying... nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:42 AM
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9. Doesn't matter.
This has been going on for nearly two years.

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:47 AM
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11. you're right, it has
people at DU pointed out when Obama signalled he would kill the public option. People at DU pointed out when Obama signalled he would cave on the Bush tax cuts. And always there were other DUers that would say, "Give me a break, it's all in your head!"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:54 AM
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18. "Obama signalled he would kill the public option"
Obama killed the public option? I thought it died because it didn't have the votes in the Senate?

Have you read about the final Senate bill on the tax cuts: “I’m sorry I couldn’t do more,” an exasperated Reid could be overheard telling a visibly frustrated Brown. “It’s the best I could do.”

Lincoln showed up late for the DADT vote, and Manchin voted no. I doubt the President had anything to do with their actions.




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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:48 AM
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12. Absolutely.
He's obviously blaming Social Security for long-term debt and the deficit, which couldn't be further from the truth. "The problem is, how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit, and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit? And most of that has to do with entitlements, particularly Social Security and Medicaid."

Really, Social Security has created the deficit? Preposterous. He's bought into it hook-line and sinker.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:51 AM
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14. Obama is turning into a total disaster for America. nt
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:10 AM
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27. you're right.
It's difficult to remain silent in the face of such disinformation.

"In the end we will not remember words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends". MLK

I will try to respond with grace. Thanks for the reminder.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:57 AM
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21. Thanks for posting this
Get ready, we now are being put into the position of defending Social Security.

I'm am saddened beyond words that so many here can not recognize this and what he is doing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:43 AM
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:33 AM
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29. The fucking drama around here is too much.
The guy talks about the night and we think he wants to get rid of the moon. Take your meds. Geezuz.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:39 AM
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32. "Take your meds. Geezuz."
Indeed. Hose down the whole damn forum with lithium, if need be.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:02 PM
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34. kick
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:12 PM
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35. B.S.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:25 PM
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36. That statement is true. Entitlements do eat up quite a bit of the federal budget.
But why is stating it code for him getting rid of SS.

Post it enough and maybe it will be true?
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 05:02 PM
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37. Thank you
I'm getting sick of all this BS being posted constantly.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 09:12 PM
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38. blah blah balh
Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 09:13 PM by Sheepshank
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