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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:10 PM Original message |
Would anyone totally against this bill please explain a path to getting a middle class only tax cut |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sure |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Respecftfully, Was You Television Off This Weekend? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Exactly. But Obama didn't use it to his advantage |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. The Repubs Only Have To Wait Until 1/1 To Pass A Tax Cut For Everybody. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Really, the republicans will control the senate and the WH? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. There's Fifty Votes In The Senate Right Now For Tax Cut For Everybody Bill |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
82. They already control the whitehouse |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. The problem with this, too, is that the Repubs aren't operating from |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. AND, they just won an election promoting pretty much exactly that... |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. In your dreams |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Of course they will. Or they'll die. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. They'll die???? |
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ohiogringo (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Wrong. Most Republicans are opposed to extending tax cuts |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Wrong, The Repubican base has never |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Next year, when they try to do it again, make the same case and make them compromise. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. The people on the frence, the people who decide elections, they can't name the three branches of |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
59. That's a total fantasy.. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
60. Manny... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. Meanwhile, while we go through that song and dance, the unemployed will continue to |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. They think that they can wait for the cuts to expire and then Boehner will give them all this... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't know -- but in my tiny uneducated mind I'd again propose a middle-class |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. The Deficit Is A Symptom Of A Sick Economy Not The Cause |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. People have the same amount of take-home pay now as they will if this passes. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. There's Less Tax Revenue, There's Much Less Tax Revenue, Because Much Less People Are Working |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Okay, that makes sense, but again, how will this increase receipts? Will |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Good analysis nt |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Because we have a consumer economy. We don't make anything. We totally depend on |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I get that part of it, but people aren't going to have any more money if this |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. There's Less Money Because Spent Because Less People Are Working |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. And every bit of unemployment money goes back into the economy. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. But in my fantasy, when we reintroduce the unemployment extension (with |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Repubs Think U I Is Welfare |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Good point, the bastids. But how about the white non-college educated numbers? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Gately-Don't Knock Yourself. All Any Of Us Have Are Our Opinions |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Maybe you should read this |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. NOtice that the chart in the story was for a ten year extension, rather than the two |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. And you really think they are going to let these tax cuts sunset during an election year? |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. That depends on when the GOP takes up the bill. |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. Listen, the Republicans want a tax cut of some kind more than anyone. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I Could Not Disagree More |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. They have also said they will attach the unfunding of health care to all bills coming out of the |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
68. All the more reason to get used to stopping votes as a Democratic block. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. Many of us don't WANT ANY of the tax cuts. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You forget the lockstep voting in the GOP. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No. They do far more harm than the UI benefits do good. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. If The Economy Sucks The Pres Will Get The Blame |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No... GOP will get the blame. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You hope. Keep in mind that the dems still control the senate--where bills go to die. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Improving. It's 9.8%. It Was 7.7% When He Took Office |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. It rose to 10.1% and has begun to back off. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Actually 10.2% |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. All projections are it will still be hovering "around 10%" |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. how do they have more to lose? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Because unemployment benefits are holding up part of the economy |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. When Did They Cave |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. How many times has it come up? how many times has it been completely blocked? |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. maybe but I don't want to stick it to republicans on the back of some family not getting what they |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. So you give up the farm to get crumbs? |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. Give up the farm? The farm is going away for everyone in Jan. Boenher ain't buying a new tractor. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Then we are all doomed anyway. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
70. And please tell me how |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. When did the tax cuts get eliminated in your scenario? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. When they sunset... as they democrats originally fought for! |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The economic conditions were totally different when they were passed. We still had a surplus and |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Which makes it even a WORSE idea now. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. because deficit spending doesn't matter when you are crawling out of a recession |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. So why did the dems care about that in 2001/2003? |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Because dems have a totally different philosophy than republicans. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. That didn't answer the question. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
46. why do we need tax cuts? |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
55. This is the first step in de-funding SS |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. +100000 nt |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. I don't believe that is true AND you didn't answer the original question. |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. I agree. One word. LOCKBOX! |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
58. There shouldn't be a tax cut for anyone, period, when the economy |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. But you got a tax cut from the first stimulus. Remember how imperative everyone thought the |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've thought tax cuts |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. The Last President To Raise Taxes During A Recession Was Herbert Hoover |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. we had a different kind of economy then. We had manufacturing then. Don't have that anymore. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. You don't fix the economy by taking money out of it |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. lowering the deficit doesn't help people pay their rent in February |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. They Need To Make Economics Part Of The High School Curriculum |
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Pistarkle (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
64. Amen! |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
73. I don't recall anyone here demanding any tax cuts |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. might be that important to some |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
81. How many FREAKIN' times must I post this???? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. What Happens In 2012 If The Repubs Get To 51? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
88. You are exactly right asking those questions. And the fact that your thread has 0 recs is |
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