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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:12 PM Original message |
Real economists agree -- It's a sh*tty deal... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. What its his estimate on the impact? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. This isn't about impact |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Of course, YOU read the article, eh? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
43. But was Krugman ever a regulator or associate proffesor at the Uninversity of Missouri? |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
58. if only considering benefits, and not history or politics |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. The article is about the fact that Obama's deal is such a piece of shit |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Your direct question has been dealt with in other threads |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Actually since this author was disputing the economists from the private sector |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
93. "economic growth" is no longer a viable option... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do real economists |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No 'deal' needed. Let the sun set. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. How Is The Economy Going To Look Next Year Witholut Any Stimulus At All, Even A Flawed One? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. It will be about the same... |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
90. If you're arguing the tax policy makes no difference |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. why is it either or? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
91. What's a preferable alternative that will make it through the Senate? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. What is the impact on economic growth? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. No jobs means no jobs.. |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Proud, going to try and find a sliver of common ground |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
94. We ALL |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. +1000 nt |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. an inartful way of saying |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. I must agree that |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
99. +1000 nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I don't agree |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Dup - computer malfunction... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. What Happens In 2012 If The Repubs Get To 51? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. The only reason it's not already that way |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So you posted nine links to the same point: |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Could You Imagine The Carnage If The Repubs Win The Pres And Senate With The Fifty One Vote Rule |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. They will do it anyway if the Dems get up on their hind legs |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. 51 votes to change the rules in the Senate... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. And you alert on it... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. A Senate Rule change would require a CLOTURE VOTE too. Republicans would BLOCK IT |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. No it does not... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Yes it does. . . you need cloture to get to a vote on rule changes, |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. For what? Everything will be sold and traded away well before then. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Not at the start of a new session you don't. The majority has a free hand to make rules as they see |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
104. No you don't |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is cute... |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. Robert Greenstein: Congress should approve this package |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Alice Rivlin, Whose Opinion I Respect, Said It's A Decent Deal |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Rivlin...I remember her |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I don't know what Crazy Ass bloggers you are reading |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
92. Cutting the payroll deduction is the camel's nose under the tent |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Social Security was never meant to be a sole means of support. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Then about half are in trouble and about 2/3 or more are close enough that they might not get by |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Yes, that's the sad part. And many are in this position because they simply did not |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
105. How very fucking elitist of you |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Anyone not blinded by their ideology |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. DLC Bullshit! |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Robert Greenstein is not afiliated with the DLC |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. You clearly have no idea who Robert Greenstein is. No surprise. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
71. Robert Greenstein is a very progressive economist. In fact, progressive House |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. News alert! |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. strange, that |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. But, but... |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. Actually, many real (and liberal) economists disagree and urge passage |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. DLC Bullshit! |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. What is this, the McCarthy Era? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. How could they have ended the filibuster? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. 51 votes to change the rules in the Senate... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Nothing in your link demonstrates that a rules change requires 51 votes |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. Amen |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. an honest question |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
38. So, if two banks that got bailout money think this is a great deal, |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. Just being straight up here |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
42. The article does not back your subject line |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. The Consenus Seem To Be Although Flawed The Bill Is Better Than Not Doing Anything |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. That's what I have seen as well |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
97. The consensus is that |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
45. Translation - "Real economists" are the ones who agree with the OP. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
53. Are these "real economists" like the "real scientist" that claim global warming is a hoax?? |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
57. and totally unnecessary |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. You are absolutely correct |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Gentlemen |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. The tax issue and the unemployment issue are not joined at the hip |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. So We Should Just Throw UI Extension Out The Window? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I never said anything close to that |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. If You Didn't I Apologize |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I'll Answer My Own Question |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Accepted |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. We Spent Over A Trillion Dollars In Iraq And We Can't Find $60 Billion For The Unemployed |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I'm not a huge fan of stimulus spending programs, although I'll take Obama's word |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. It's Like The Big Dog Said Yesterday |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. yet they passed, making a deal unnecessary |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. They Passed With Two Republican Votes |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. "Now" -- as in what date? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Now = New Congress |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. how convenient |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Convenient For Who |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. convenient for anyone who wants to make this compromise look necessary |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If It Doesn't Pass |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. "you didn't need to give something away to get unemployment extension passed" |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Have you ever heard of "standing your ground" when you're the Party in power? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What Does That Mean In The Current Instance? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Have you ever considered that letting Bush's tax cuts expire, period, might |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. No. The Tax Cuts Don't Affect Me. |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. "With these Republicans you did" |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
79. Krugman was impressed with what Obama was able to get through |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Thank You |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
102. Yeah, a REAL economist who won't be forced tor rely on a degraded SS system in his old age. nt |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
89. True Scotsmen say otherwise. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
95. "economic growth" is no longer a viable option... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
98. K & R nt |
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