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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:00 PM Original message |
Sen. Sanders is living in Fantasyland. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. I Respectfully Disagree (nt) |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. Show me where the votes are in the Senate. Please show me. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Thank you for the reality check. Don't expect a response, though. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bernie (I) is more of a Democrat than Obama will EVER be |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Hey I'm sure he is welcome to try rounding up votes on his own. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. it's not the first speech he has given |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. The amazing thing is he couldn't get more funds for his health clinic idea. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Bernie ie a self-described socialist. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. STILL more of a Democrat than Obama |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. That's lovely. Let's see him rustle up those 60 votes. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. WTF are you talking about? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. "WE THE PEOPLE" is a mantra of the teabaggers. So? He still won't get 60 votes. n/t |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
86. You're ceding "We the people" to the teabaggers? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. No... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
105. clue for you |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
91. Democrats are not socialists. And if you think they are, you should |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
106. Right on |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
90. No, he's an socialist and a registered Independent. And I'm very happy that Obama is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'd rather support a crazy man who tries than one who doesn't. |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
46. Say it again.. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bernie Sanders is much more articulate and realistic than what your post gives him credit for. nt |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. I stand by Bernie |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. have you been living a cave the past few day? |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. there are several other Senators that are standing with Bernie |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. No. I am well aware of Sanders' non-filibuster. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. so he should have gone to the same Parties our commander in chief |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Obama is the President. He has MANY things to do... |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. The intended attack dog, David Gergen, failed miserably. Bernie showed him up |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Gergen? Is that old vampire still alive? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Apparently they pulled him out to attempt to shill for the DLC position. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. DLC???? REALLY? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. What makes you think Blitzer |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Cult status, fundraising effort for Sanders |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. Going with Bernie! |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. I dunno about that. I lisened to most of his speach yeterday & he made |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Well he has 4 Dems to convince first then Lieberman then a couple of Republicans. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. I bet he knows far more what he's talking about than you do. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. If he gets 60 votes, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:33 PM Original message |
He got a lot more than 60 votes so you better start chewing. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
35. So when's the vote happening? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. It already happened He was reelected in a landslide, and then there's the |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. As you know, I mean 60 votes in the Senate. n/t |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. he doesn't need 60 senate votes to stop this. It can be stopped in the house. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. His claim was the |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. His claim was if the Repos tried to stand firm, the public would demand |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Based on 800 phone calls |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. His claim was that he could get 60 votes, which would be including "a handful of Republicans." |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
80. We're talking Senate votes, not votes at the Ben and Jerry's in Burlington... n/t |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
103. So how is Fantasyland? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. Not sure the Senate Dems even TRIED to get 60 votes. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. The Senate failed to pass two such plans last Saturday. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I know... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. And what would it hurt to try? |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Amen |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. It WOULDN'T hurt if they didn't care about passing the DADT repeal, etc. n/t |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Well said. And I agree. nt |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. Excellent.\nt |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
67. They ALREADY TRIED! |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
104. A little too late don't ya think? |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. Bernie would be on my top 5 list of favorite U.S. Senators |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. What I care about is that Bernie Sanders ALWAYS stands for |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
31. The concept of having a black president was Fantasyland too. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. He ran and people voted and he won. The Senators spoke and gave speeches on not voting |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. But (and I admit I'm looking for the glass half full) that was before |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. He has dared to "dream". I doubt that he really believes that he |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Well, he has the luxury to give 8 hour speeches. Obama is the President and has a lot of things |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. yeah -- that party he blew out of the presser was so very much more important to do |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Personally, I haven't seen very much success from whatever he |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Then you're not looking. He has accomplished many landmark achievements |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yes, I've been "looking". I had high hopes for Obama. But, as |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. Yeah, like Co-President Clinton to speak for him. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. That was a brilliant move. If Bill Clinton endorses OBAMA'S tax deal, that shows |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. do you think obama enjoyed those holiday parties? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. I'm sure he did. If you're comparing Obama's schedule to Bush's, you're not |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
36. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised either way - I've never seen so |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. If the Dems. who voted no even on the bill raising the cut-off on the tax cuts to $1 million |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. I pray he can! |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
88. I'm thinking maybe increased input from constituents, but I think conventional |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
40. Keep up the fight, Sen. Sanders! |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
69. +10000000 |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. Fighting 'til the bitter end |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
53. I have to agree |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
55. Got to love how the MSM is so true when you agree and so sold to the GOP when you disagree |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. The Senate votes aren't a fiction of the MSM. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Some people speak about poverty. Generally, those are those who oppose the deal. |
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philly_bob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. Sanders speech may have changed the political landscape... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. You are not dreaming. It is a big deal. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
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budkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
76. Wrong. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Thanks for the intelligent response. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. Ben Nelson would never vote for that shit |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Not only would Ben Nelson vote for it, |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
78. I love Bernie, but where has he been in the last couple years? |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
87. I don't think he has the votes. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
89. He certainly is consider the Senate voted NO on middle-class |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
94. And anyone who agrees with him is in fantasyland too. He and they should no better. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
95. So why the hell didn't he then? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Very good question... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
97. I was confused as to what significance he thought the "600 phone calls" were to getting Senate votes |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Thank you! |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. I guarantee the 600 calls weren't all from Vermont |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
98. Because Bernie's done such a good job getting 60+ Senate votes before |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Exactly... |
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