If your spouse didn't appreciate anything and everything s/he did for you...

[jenmito]

you'd have EVERY RIGHT to show frustration to them. That's what Obama did as the "unappreciated spouse." I don't blame him ONE BIT.

All of you who are supposed to be "on his team," but have been attacking him from day one, sorry-but you deserve his public frustration. Unrec away like every other pro-Obama thread (on DU). :eyes:

[styersc]

1. Obama isn't my spouse.

Those who feel that they have a love for any political figure are part of the problem. The democratic system is corrupted by those who turn this process into a cult of personality.

[jenmito]

6. I obviously don't mean it literally. n/t

[COLGATE4]

44. Obama isn't our spouse. He's our employee. That's a difference

that people should keep in mind. We didn't swear fealty to Obama in 'sickness and in health', etc. etc.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. "of, by and for the people"-

No, we didn't swear fealty to Pres.Obama, but neither did he swear that he wouldn't have to make decisions that we, his "family" wouldn't like. He's ALSO 'employed' by the other half of this country- like it or not.

He isn't GWBush, and doesn't govern like him. If he did, he wouldn't be a Democrat imo. Bush used his office as if he were "dictator".

:shrug:

[KoKo]

68. Exactly! I'm not a "Spouse of ANY President either Dem or Repug!

But, if I was I would feel like a "Battered Wife" at this point when a Dem President sends henchmen out to trash Democrats and then starts to do it HIMSELF!

As other posters said: "He's OUR EMPLOYEE" not the Other Way Around..!

[CakeGrrl]

7. Heh. Go tell that to the freshly disillusioned who are scraping bumper stickers off their cars

Like a jilted significant other trying to remove those painful reminders of their 'relationship'.

And those who (creepily, in my opinion) want or need him to APOLOGIZE to make sure that he's realized the error of his ways.

:crazy:

[polichick]

19. Exactly, and there are quite a few here who talk about him as if he were...

...their junior high heartthrob.

[Donnachaidh]

35. thank you!

I'm really really getting tired of the hero worship disguised as *political discussion*. The shrill levels are frightening.

[Name removed]

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[jaxx]

3. I don't either.

Enough is enough!

K&R

[jenmito]

8. Thank you for understanding my post.

:hi:

[rug]

4. Are you saying he fucked us?

[Enrique]

5. it would be "against my Christian faith" to be Obama's spouse

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

11. Do you have a link of him saying that? n/t

[Enrique]

17. I'm surprised you didn't know this

Obama's opposition to gay marriage, due to his Christianity, has been talked about a lot on DU.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2009/0512/obama-and-miss-california-aligned-on-same-sex-marriage

"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman," the future President said. "For me as a Christian, it is a sacred union. You know, God is in the mix."

[jenmito]

20. That was before he became President. His views are changing:

Washington (CNN) –There may be some wiggle room in President Obama's unwavering opposition to same-sex marriage. Speaking to a group of liberal bloggers Wednesday the President said that "attitudes evolve, including mine."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/a-shift-in-obamas-same-sex-marriage-vow/

[MNBrewer]

49. and before he was running for President

his views were in favor of gay marriage. And, what evidence do you have that his view have changed ONE IOTA!!!!

[jenmito]

62. I know...

the church he went to was/is pro-gay marriage. I believe that he still IS pro-gay marriage but he felt he couldn't have gotten elected with that stated position. That's why I'm glad he's "evolving" in his views of gay marriage, as it would just be revealing his real position.

[emulatorloo]

70. Has he actively gone after states that have Gay Marriage? No.

The End.

[Autumn]

9. He's not my spouse. I consider him an employee.

I voted (hired) him to do a job for me. If he wants to bad mouth me and not build my house the way I want him to, I am not required to give him a good reference and it is my prerogative to hire another contractor.

[treestar]

10. so did those of us who are happy with his work

[Autumn]

15. Feel free to hire any employee you want to.

That's your prerogative.

[tekisui]

12. This is ridiculous.

Broad-brushing non-sense.

Espeically this part: "but have been attacking him from day one". Most DUers started at a place of full, or damn near close to full support.

After two years of policy decisions, more and more have become dissatisfied with the direction and the strategies of the Administration. We all have a right to voice that dissatisfaction. It has nothing to do with "attacking Obama". For the majority it is criticizing policies that he chose to make.

And, I don't see the WH analogy as a spouse at all.

ETA: Unrec. Not because it is a "pro-Obama" thread, which it isn't. But, because it is flam bait. I rec threads on Obama policies when they are good decisions all the time. I automatically unrec baseless flamebait.

[boppers]

60. "Most DUers started at a place of full, or damn near close to full support. "

Are you very new here? Perhaps you have a huge "Ignore" list?

GD:P had to have a new set of rules applied, because the flaming was so harsh.

Before he was elected in the primaries, he was flamed over his policies. After the primaries, he was flamed over who is cabinet might be. He was even flamed over who would be part of his inauguration ceremony. He was flamed over his cabinet appointments. He was flamed over every speech speech he made for anything that could be taken in offense.

"damn near close to full support" is so absurd as to be laughable.

[niceypoo]

13. And if that spouse was sleeping around with a lover who wanted you dead

Then knifing you in the back because you do not approve of it. You should appreciate it anyway?

We should appreciate that Obama has abandoned traditional Democratic values in favor of GOP policies?

[jenmito]

18. Your metaphor is bull. Obama has accomplished more progressive things in his first 22 months than

any president in modern history. AND, he ran as someone who would work with Repubs. as well as Dems. That's why he got elected with Repubs.' help. When he saw Repubs. in Congress NOT wanting to work with him, he still managed to get legislation passed, even though it may have been watered down in some cases, "thanks" to Repubs. and Conservadems who refused to go along with his agenda.

[niyad]

14. you can divorce a spouse without having to wait for an election

[uppityperson]

16. You have every right to show frustration if a spouse down't appreciate anything/everything s/he did

for you?

Seriously? If your spouse didn't appreciate everything you did "for them" you have EVERY RIGHT to show frustration? Do you SERIOUSLY believe that?

Forget Obama, lets talk about spouses/partners. If I don't "appreciate anything and everything he did" for me he has the right to show frustration? How about when he does something that I could very well do and wanted to do? Is there really some statute or morality built into marriage than demand you must "appreciate anything and everything s/he did for you"?

Where is the right given that allows them to show frustration rather than thinking "hey, maybe s/he is having a bad day and I'll back off"?

Good grief.

[jenmito]

22. "Where is the right given that allows them to show frustration rather than thinking 'hey, maybe s/he

is having a bad day and I'll back off'?" Seriously-Obama has had to listen to complaints and attacks about him not doing enough, doing too much, etc. from his own side for nearly two years! That's hardly "a bad day."

[uppityperson]

39. However, I am not talking about Obama but about SPOUSES, like you say in your OP

As I wrote, and you must have missed in your reading my prior post "Forget Obama, lets talk about spouses/partners".

Pres Obama is not my spouse and I am talking about spouses. Try again.

[jenmito]

45. What I said applies to spouses, too...

"Where is the right given that allows them to show frustration rather than thinking 'hey, maybe s/he is having a bad day and I'll back off'?" If s/he had A bad day, that would be ONE thing. I'm talking about him/her having months and months of bad days.

[uppityperson]

52. Are you married? Do you "express frustration" with your spouse when s/he doesn't appreciate all you

for him/her? How do you express that frustration and where is it a "right" to do so?

I am married and never heard any bit about that "right" during any ceremony and didn't find any such thing written in the state's marriage statute (which I read to see what I was agreeing to legally).

WHERE is that a "right"?

[jenmito]

59. Yup. And if my husband had put me down or insulted me or did not appreciate me

by at least acknowledging what I did to help him/us for nearly 2 years, (or for even a WEEK) I'd have every right to express frustration at the very LEAST. I don't mean it's official-written in the "rules" of marriage, but I'd morally have the "right" to express my frustration.

I can't even BEGIN to imagine how Obama would feel if he's been reading here at DU. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, and this is supposedly a place to get AWAY from the constant criticism of our Dem. president. My "spouse" OP was just a way to compare how I see so many fellow Dems. constantly complaining about Obama and then complain some more when HE finally complained about people like you.

[uppityperson]

65. I agree with you about Obama, am just taking issue with the "spousal rights" part

[martymar64]

69. You're right. It is Democratic Underground. It is NOT Obama Underground

[boppers]

61. My marriage vows included having disappointment in the other.

YMMV (Your Marriage May Vary)

[mtnsnake]

21. If my spouse gave our rich neighbor's kids $100 & our own kids only $5, I'd be pissed at her, too!

[jenmito]

23. If your kids were going hungry, would you want your spouse to let them die

just so you'd be happy that he gave no money to your neighbors?

[rocktivity]

74. At least that way I'd have a BETTER chance of convicing my spouse

to feed our kids! That is to say, that's not the only alternative.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. This isn't a "pro-Obama" thread. It's a thread about my ex, or something...

Still not sure what. I'm supposed to be "on his team"? What the fuck does that even mean?

THAT'S why I unrecc'd it.

[jenmito]

25. Yes it is. Do you not understand metaphors or examples used to prove a point?

Yes-you're supposed to be a Democrat. That's being "on his team."

[Union Scribe]

27. It was a terrible analogy, and misdelivered at that.

You garbled who was not appreciating whom by saying our spouse didn't appreciate what they did for us.

[jenmito]

28. You and those who never give Obama credit for anything are the spouse

of Obama, who's done a LOT for you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Whut?

[Union Scribe]

31. Who says I never give Obama credit?

I credit him with the auto bailout. I like his appointment of Warren. That's two off the top of my head. Please stop acting like you know me.

[RandomKoolzip]

57. That wheedling, petulant tone. It's not working.

"You never loved him!!"

This strategy will never ever make anyone see things your way.

Plus this is a egregiously weak framework for an extended metaphor (the marriage thing).

[jenmito]

40. Funny-Anthony Weiner just said today that he's "on Obama's team."

Would you ask HIM WTF he meant by that?

[Union Scribe]

26. This is not a "pro-Obama thread"

it's just yet another "complain about criticism" thread.

[niceypoo]

30. It is like a husband having an affair with the 'Other Woman'...

...then coming home and beating/blaming the wife for it.

[jenmito]

32. Wrong. He's not having an affair. His wife doesn't appreciate all he's doing for her

and locks him out of the house because the diamond he gave her wasn't big enough.

[niceypoo]

34. The !wife doesn't 'appreciate' him going behind her back and sleeping with the other woman?

How unappreciative of her.

When all else fails, bring up the 'pony' talking point!!

[jenmito]

36. He DIDN'T go behind her back. He did what he said he was gonna do-

work with the other side to get things done after his own side couldn't get it done alone (they got 53 votes on 2 attempts to pass a tax cut bill with no tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires). As a matter of fact, they failed to get a bill passed even with tax cuts for those making up to $1 million! So he got a good compromise bill-and it's a heck of a lot better than he'd be able to get with a Repub.-led House and a stronger Repub. Senate.

[polichick]

37. Looks like he slept with the other woman in front of the wife - and ridiculed the wife...

...for daring to complain!

[Wednesdays]

33. Maybe the root of the problem is "electile dysfunction?"

:shrug:

[kiva]

38. +1

:rofl:

[Bluenorthwest]

41. How tone deaf and insulting.

Marriage equality now, let the bigots go suck it. So tired of this bullshit. This is down right venomous.
Additionally, this OP is not at all 'pro-Obama' it makes not factual point about him. The OP is just a screed against those who do not agree with the OP. It is anti-others, not pro-anyone.
To claim that an elected official is our 'spouse' is just vulgar. Disgusting. Vile. Not at all appropriate.
This is self serving bull crap. Obama as excuse to pout and characterize.

[Exilednight]

42. Wow, talk about painting everyone with a broad-brush. Almost everyone on this board started out ...

supporting Obama, or at were at least to mute their criticism and allow him to attempt to govern. I was an Obama supporter before he even announced he was going to run for the presidency. I supported him though-out the primary, the general election, and I supported him for the first six to nine months after taking office. It wasn't until he began to fail to offer up the big changes that this country desperately needs to survive that I started criticizing his policy and decisions.

Personally, I was willing to live with failure on minor policy. I disagree without being disagreeable, and I am open to compromise as long we do not compromise the small handful of principals that can never compromised. And I hope that when the president hears these criticisms he understands that he assumes that I have the best intentions of our nation at heart. Hmmmmm, where have I heard those words before?

Oh yeah, it was an Obama campaign speech.

"It was here we learned to disagree without being disagreeable - that it's possible to compromise so long as you know those principles that can never be compromised; and that so long as we're willing to listen to each other, we can assume the best in people instead of the worst."

[Vinca]

43. Why, exactly, should I applaud the extension of the Bush economic policy

that got us into this mess? I think it takes real courage and real spine to do what is right and I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing "go along to get along." He's even using Frank Luntz's talking point about businesses being "uncertain." It makes me want to puke.

[jenmito]

47. Your post proves my point. Thank you.

Obama does not believe Bush's tax cuts for the rich are good for the economy, but only 53 Senators agreed with him. If you want to puke, aim your projectile at the Senate-not at Obama.

[Exilednight]

53. What was your point? If Obama believes that tax cuts for the rich will damage our economy, then he

has the ability to veto the bill.

So, what exactly is your point?

[Vinca]

54. Thanks. That's what I was going to say. He can veto the bill.

"Obama hatred" isn't what has many of us all cranked up . . . it's the continuation of bad policy.

[jenmito]

72. If he vetoed the bill, he'd be blamed for "raising taxes" on the middle class,

there'd be no unemployment benefits, etc. He was not willing to let that happen.

[Exilednight]

75. You only believe he would be blamed, you have no facts to back that statement up. n/t

[jenmito]

78. I have common sense.

[Exilednight]

79. Do you? Let's take a look at history ...

When Clinton shut down the government, who did the people blame?

[Jakes Progress]

46. Hmmm. An unrequited desire to be Obama's spouse, maybe.

I've never been married to a president. I didn't ask him to marry me. I asked him to do a job that he promised he could do.

Now if you want to lecture Michelle, I guess you can try. But your have a very screwed up view of the relationship between a president and his/her employers.

[MNBrewer]

48. He doesn't believe that I should be able to marry him

I'm a male, and gay. "God's in the mix" after all.

[PurityOfEssence]

50. It's all about HIM

We were big meanies to him, so now he can insult us at the Christmas Party, cheat on us with the local heiress, spend our lunch money whooping it up and just do as he pleases.

Yes, when he beat us and stalked out for a night on the town, we really had it coming to us. How dare we complain. He really loves us under it all. He'll make it all good. We'd be nothing without him. Think of the kids.

Holding the rest of the world ransom for one's fragile ego being linked to a famous personality is hardly a communal act. Needing one's hero to be universally deferred to is the stuff of brats. Lashing out at anyone who questions one's Baba devolves into zealotry but quick.

There's a reason why the term "cult" comes up: this simply smacks of it. We didn't elect any real platform of policy, we elected a sublime creature of perfection. We elected "hope", which is an inherently passive act akin to religious worship. We elected "change", with little specifics, but we got a rapacious version of the "same old thing": machine politics, mealy-mouthed ultramoderation and unabashed showmanship. Since we effectively elected a personality, that personality IS THE ISSUE.

We were asked for "faith" and to "trust" this man, with everyone effervescing about how progressive and dreamy he was. It was crap. It's better than McCain, but so the fuck what? That was never the question.

[ClassWarrior]

51. Actually, I was campaigning for him from day one. It was roughly day five-hundred that...

...I started to get frustrated with him.

NGU.

[RandomKoolzip]

55. Worst. Analogy. Ever.

Seriously? Did you really think this would change anyone's mind? Did you think you were gonna shame someone into seeing things your way?

[MissDeeds]

56. Pathetic argument

Equating Obama to a spouse? This is beyond lame.

Obama was elected president to carry forth the ideals, values, and principles of the Democratic party. If he fails to uphold those principles, or fails to uphold campaign promises that won him the election, the party not only has the right but the responsibility to call him on it.

This post trivializes the office of the president.

Unrec

[boppers]

64. "principles of the Democratic party"?

Pray tell, what would those currently be, and how do they conflict with what the president has done?

Please provide citations, as an awful lot of people seem to claim they know the principles of the party, without actually knowing the platform.

[MissDeeds]

66. Oh please

You don't know what the principles of the Democratic Party are? Apparently you are new to the party.

:eyes:

[boppers]

67. Slavery, States Rights, Anti-Federal Bank...

You do know that the party changes constantly?

That we elect pro-lifers, for example, and then put them in charge of the Senate Majority?

[Exilednight]

77. The party does not "change constantly". It takes decades to change and ..........

morph into their principles. It doesn't happen overnight.

The problem we see now is the attempt of big tent politics. When you over-promise and under-deliver, you're going to pay a price.

[QC]

63. This might well be the creepiest thing ever posted on DU. n/t

[emulatorloo]

71. nah I nominate this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x561679

[QC]

73. Whoa! n/t

[MissDeeds]

76. It's certainly in the running n/t

[woo me with science]

80. Boggles the mind, doesn't it? nt

[woo me with science]

81. When I married him, I didn't agree to do anal

[Honeycombe8]

82. The ONE TIME he gets upset, it's with "liberals"? Give me a break. nt