Washinton Post/ABC poll: All the stuff most here don't want to hear

[impik]

* President Obama’s approval rating is 49% (compared to the much publicized 42% in the McClatchy-Marist Poll)

* “The midterm elections were widely seen as a rebuke to President Obama. Still, the public now trusts Obama more than congressional Republicans to deal with the country’s main problems in the coming years” (43 to 38 per cent)

* “The president’s advantage is a striking contrast to the public’s mood at this time in 1994 and 2006: George W. Bush trailed the Democrats by 26 points on this measure after they took the House in 2006, and Bill Clinton trailed the Republicans by 15 points in trust to handle the country’s main problems after the GOP won the House in 1994.”

* “Most continue to say the Republicans in Congress are not doing enough to compromise with Obama on important issues.”

* “…Obama maintains double-digit leads over the GOP in two big areas: helping the middle class and health-care reform.”

* “Americans believe the president is more genuine in wanting to reduce the deficit. More than two in three said Obama is sincere in his commitment to deficit reduction, while only a bare majority say the same for congressional Republicans.”

* “…Obama’s tax compromise with Republicans on Capitol Hill sparked vocal protests from liberal elected officials and leaders of some progressive groups. But the poll shows no notable erosion in his support among liberal Democrats in the population at large. His approval rating among liberal Democrats stands at a lofty 87 percent, almost identical to where it was in an early October poll and down marginally from a survey later that month.”

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[hlthe2b]

1. There is a lot good in that poll...

I just wish you could present it in that light, rather than adding the negative commentary. :shrug:

[bluestateguy]

2. I just have come to hate pollsters and polls

It's such a scumbag industry.
I had thought that with the election being over we would not have to deal with this daily deluge of polls anymore.

[frazzled]

33. Unless they agree with you ...

right?

[old mark]

3. Look, it is only a specific group of "liberals" who can't stand Obama and the tax bill...

the large majority of Democrats - including as stated in the OP almost 90% of self identified Liberals SUPPORT him and the tax cut extension, as do many economists.

I find it very interesting that the EXTREMES on both the left and the right are vocally opposed to the tax bill passing, although for different reasons.

I think it will easily pass and it will turn out to be mainly good.


K&R.

mark

[Skittles]

4. I do not consider myself "EXTREME"

I consider myself INFORMED

[phleshdef]

14. I don't of any extremists that consider themselves extremists.

Not that I'm actually saying you are an extremist. But your consideration one way or the other is fairly irrelevant.

[Smashcut]

20. And I don't know of any "centrists" who recognize they're actually conservatives.

[stevenleser]

28. Because they arent n/t

[eridani]

5. Brilliant. The policies that gave us the most disastrous decade for job creation

--since records have been kept is going to help our economy with more of the same. This is a disaster that will sink the Dems for a long time.

[old mark]

6. Please read the OP - neither the poster nor I invented the numbers...

I read this several places elsewhere.

I guess few people on DU are interested in facts if they conflict with their own opinions.

mark

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[TheKentuckian]

31. Mark, what do polls have to do with sound policy? How are polls facts other than as a snapshot of

opinion?

[pnorman]

8. Well, here's a guy from the "extreme left" who doesn't think all that well of it.

But I regard "No Drama" Obama as a master strategist who's doing the best he can do with a piss-poor hand, and with a clear and unblinking eye on the 2012 general election. He's trading ground for time.

So Which Side Are You On?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Proud liberal here who has come to believe that the president is 100% right on this tax deal

In the short run, anger clouds judgment and reason. Upon deep thought and reflection, I have come to the conclusion that the president is absolutely right!!

[Hello_Kitty]

19. I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion when the Catfood austerity stuff comes down. eom

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. Whatever. I stand by my statement. Not at all moved by the irrational and emotional. n/t

[Dawgs]

25. Right. Me, and every other Democrat I know, is against this.

Sorry. I'm not buying the meme that it's only a small percentage that are against it.

[TheKentuckian]

32. Did the tax cuts turn out to be mostly good the past 10 years?

[fasttense]

7. What is that old saying about doing the same thing but expecting different results?

How can the exact same policies that got us into this horrible economy get us out of it? It makes no logical sense. How is that change we can believe in?

I've been think of how we never knew we were in a huge recession for over a year, until the stock market started to dive. I wonder if we aren't in a very bad (worse than is being discussed) way now, we just don't know it.

But the only solution we got is tax cuts, which include a tax increase for the working poor, and a measly UI extension that doesn't even cover all the unemployed.

[Exilednight]

9. A couple things about this poll.........

1. Gallup and McClatchy-Marist have the president at 42% and 46% respectively. That probably means that this poll is an anomaly.

2. If you accep this poll, then the public trust issue of 43/38 is almost a dead heat with the 3.5 MOE.

3. At this time in presidency, Carter was at 50%, in fact Carter was at 51% approval when he lost Reagan two years later.

4. Again, that 87% support among liberals is an anomaly only to this poll. Gallup has him at 69% with liberals and 79% with liberal Democrats.

[Supersedeas]

12. Carter like every other President will have fresh issues rise during the campaign.

W. Bush had those Al Quada tapes pop-up right before the election. Fresh news from the Corp Media.

[Clio the Leo]

11. Gallup has Obama at 45%, Congress at 13%....

.... I'm not all that bright, but from that I can deduce that Obama is apparently the most popular man in DC.

[polichick]

13. What a surprise that corporate pollsters are getting results that work for them...

Good grief, most polls haven't meant anything in decades - just like most "news" coverage hasn't been real in decades.

[Beetwasher]

15. "...least popular option was letting all the tax cuts expire. "

DU is not representative of the liberal base or the public at large. Go figure.

[eridani]

23. If they had, no one would have given a damn n/t

[Beetwasher]

26. On What Planet?

n/t

[eridani]

27. The one where voters gratefully awarded Dems continuing control of the House

--because they noticed the Obama tax cuts.

[Beetwasher]

29. oh is that what happened? That's a rich fantasy you've concocted

my what an amazing perception you have of the media. You mean the media wouldn't rake the dems over the coals if peoples taxes went up? Again, on what planet? You seem to be under some bizarre impression that people aren't subjected to repub spin by corporate media.

[eridani]

30. So Dems should just give up on messaging and organizing

--and simply accept the memes of our betters, despite the fact that they are destroying the country?

[Beetwasher]

34. Don't Change The Subject, I Didn't Say That, But YOU Seem To Think Corp. Media Treats R's And D's

The same and that is a foolish, naive notion.

" If they had, no one would have given a damn n/t"

If you think for a second that people would NOT have noticed their taxes going up, or that the media wouldn't bash Dems for it, I'd like to know what planet you live on.

[eridani]

36. So we give up on legislation motivated by Dem values because of the media? n/t

[ProudDad]

16. "It's because he's charming and clean" Joe Biden... (n/t)

[catgirl]

18. K&R

The truth prevails.

[Change Happens]

22. Obama = God!

And the sane people know it...

[mikekohr]

24. kick

[NashVegas]

35. No One Ever Went Broke Underestimating the American Public

Still, the public now trusts Obama more than congressional Republicans to deal with the country’s main problems in the coming years”

This means absolutely nothing unless voters can be brought to prioritize the country's main problems and stick to those priorities. This cannot be done without allowing a situation to become a crisis, and Democrats/liberals have a tendency to do just about anything avert crises.

Americans believe the president is more genuine in wanting to reduce the deficit.

Again, doesn't mean jack shit if Americans don't pressure congress to reduce the deficit. Democrats just lost this issue when the tax bill got through.

But the poll shows no notable erosion in his support among liberal Democrats in the population at large.

As I was saying ...