The hyperbolic attacks against President Obama are shameful and disgusting.

[RBInMaine]

He has signed more PROGRESSIVE legislation than any president in a generation. ("Progressive" means PROGRESS and NOT purity.) He has been attacked relentlessly by racist right wing TeaPublicans as anything from "foreign" to "Marxist." He just FORCED the RePUKES to end their sickening logjamming and got a SECOND STIMULUS, many PROGRESSIVE provisions of which the PUKES despise. (Just listen to them rail again unemployment compensation.) He got the excellent START treaty and supports ending DADT and supports the DREAM Act. And what do the purists do? They drown themselves in tunnel-visioned out-of-the-mainstream extremity and attack this guy as being as bad or even worse than the PUKES. Occasional disagreement or criticism over a point here and there is one thing, but these truly nasty attacks are hyperbolic and very unfair. Shame on those doing it.

[firedupdem]

1. K&R n/t

[blue neen]

2. We are thankful for the unemployment extension at our house.

Very thankful.

[polmaven]

63. As am I

I will sleep better at now.

[newthinking]

94. "Extension"? I thought it was a continuation

Did the bill actually extend benefits for more weeks?

[blue neen]

102. Yes, I believe it's being called an extension.

I'm not really sure what the difference between the "extension" and "continuation" is as far as unemployment is concerned.

ON EDIT: Here's a good explanation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x569156

[kiva]

3. And I think the hyperbolic attacks against anyone who

criticizes his policies are shameful and disgusting. :shrug:

[RBInMaine]

4. Hogshit. Read the OP. Some disagreement is one thing, but hyperbolic attacks are over the top and

truly nutty. How about attacking the R's? Has Obama done anything positive enough for you?

[kiva]

43. "over the top" "truly nutty"

You consider this "some disagreement" with those who don't agree with Obama?

And yes, I cheered on his push for stem cell research, the Lily Ledbetter (sp?) Act, and the Hunger-Free Children Act (even though it takes some money from the food stamp program, I think it's important).

Health Insurance Reform? Afghanistan? Failure to fiercely advocate for ending DADT? His/Rahm's ideas about education? Not so much.

[villager]

5. +1

n/t

[JoePhilly]

11. The Tea Party makes the same basica claim.

They claim that any criticism of Obama results in them being called racists. Its total BS, but they use this inflated claim as a defense.

They have not attacked Obama, it is Obama and his supporters who attached them.

[provis99]

34. I see. Liberals are just like Tea Baggers.

[JoePhilly]

69. Some of them.

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[Aramchek]

88. there is very little constructive criticism here

It is more akin to smearing him from head to toe in Bullshit.

[GOPBasher]

6. Agreed. I'm going to write something tomorrow on how Obama has helped my family directly. n/t

[OhioBlue]

10. Good idea - off the top of my head

2 things that will help my family:

My significant other is self employed and Obama's small business & jobs bill will allow him to write off the amount he paid for his health insurance for his income on which self-employment tax is figured.

We're also glad the child tax credit is being renewed at $1000

Also - the health care bill allowed my cousin's daughter to have health insurance as she is 22 and doesn't have a job with benefits

and.... I expect it will help my brother's family keep their medicaid. The Republicans took control in Ohio and they want to cut, cut, cut medicaid. the incoming Ohio House Speaker (Batchelder) stated that he wanted to cut eligibility in half from 200% of poverty to straight poverty levels. This will undoubtedly kick my self-employed brother's family out of the program.... BUT they can't do it without a waiver from the Feds BECAUSE of the Health care bill.

[GOPBasher]

79. Nice.

[polmaven]

64. I will look forward to reading that ..

:thumbsup:

[JoePhilly]

70. My neice's cancer (at age 2) can no longer be used as a pre-existing condition.

[GOPBasher]

80. I'm really sorry to hear that, but I'm glad the insurance company will have to cover it. n/t

[GOPBasher]

86. It's up now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=433

[OhioBlue]

7. K&R

[Supersedeas]

75. encore

[Clio the Leo]

8. ""Progressive" means PROGRESS and NOT purity."

.... I am SO stealing that one.

[RBInMaine]

14. Thanks. Some people need to be reminded of what a root word is.

[QC]

78. The root word of garage must be gar.

[WiffenPoof]

93. Is That A Sturgen (sp)? n/t

[treestar]

27. +1 million

[ProudDad]

33. No, "Progressive" means a set of principles and values

that are so inherently true and necessary that they're not negotiable...

Like Peace and Economic Justice...

Like a Sustainable Future for all of the Earth's creatures...

Like Fairness and a decent life for all...

----------------------------------------

It does NOT mean infinite "growth" on a finite planet...

It does NOT mean fouling the air, earth and water and polluting our environment for "Industrial Growth" and short-term profit for the few...

It does NOT mean industrial growth consumerist bullshit "society" run by vampire capitalists for vampire capitalists...

[ima_sinnic]

47. +1 million!

"progress" is actually a Republican value -- you know, pave over parking lots, burn down rainforests, drill for oil in pristine environments, redesign the appearance of cars every year for no good reason, simply to make the old ones obsolete and use more resources unnecessarily, etc etc ad nauseum.

In a simple definition based Merriam-Websters 11th Collegiate, progressives push for social improvement by government.

A tax cut for wealthy people is not "progressive," no matter how dizzy you make yourself spinning it.

[RBInMaine]

49. It MEANS making PROGRESS toward such ideals, not saying "NO" to everything short of them.

[ima_sinnic]

73. how have we "made progress" on ANY of the things listed in that post?

It seems the president has said NO to everything that could lead to fulfilling those ideals.
When does he take a firm stand on anything?
Will he maybe veto the tax cuts to the wealthy greed-head PIGS who are too cheap to support their own country with tax money they don't even need? (don't make me laugh, my lips are chapped)

[ProudDad]

87. There is NO evidence that either wing of the Corporate War Party

is working toward anything remotely like Progressive ideals...

There is NO EVIDENCE that they are working for Peace or Justice or We the People...

There is AMPLE EVIDENCE that they are working for their upper-class friends and their own upper-class self interest...

They are working to get re-elected FIRST...

They are working for their corporate funders' interests 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and sometimes 1st...

Most are working for their own self-interest as well since the corpos won't fund most of them unless they're true believers; including that true-believer-in-chief...

But you're right on one level...

they're making enormous "progress" toward their REAL goals...

Too bad for us...alas...

So you can keep looking for YOUR pony in that pile of shit, but I'm not expecting one from the fuckers who are piling on more shit...

[awoke_in_2003]

92. +1000. nt

[polmaven]

67. Oh - good line.

I may steal it from you, now!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

9. LOL...another "purist" post. (n/t)

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[quickesst]

22. Sorry...

...if the truth hurts. How long did it take black people to attain equal right? A long goddamn time, but they did it. It didn't happen overnight, so why not use a little common sense with logic, and understand that with the opposition we're facing, it's going to take time for things to change. "Shut the fuck up about it"? About what? Facing reality? Keep dreaming Mogumbo. Thanks.
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[elocs]

24. When you have to use "fuck" so often in one paragraph you are not particularly credible.

"Fuck" is like a spice and should be used accordingly otherwise it is simply lazy writing.

[Lisa0825]

13. K&R

[struggle4progress]

16. +

[Exilednight]

17. Really, let's ask a few basic questions about his progress......

Question #1: What progress has he made against bringing down or controlling the cost of health care?

Answer: None. In fact, the average health care increase was 3% by insurance companies, but employers raised insurance premiums on average by 14% as corporations shift the burden of cost.

Question #2: How many more people have health insurance since the HCR bill has passed?

Answer: None. In fact, 201 million people started out the year insured, but only 194 million will have insurance by the end of the year. That's net gain of -104 million (notice the negative sign in front of 104).

Question #3 How much progress did Obama make on ending the war in Iraq?

Answer: None. The truth is he replaced 70,000 soldiers that answer to the commander and chief with 100,000 private contractor soldiers that answer to their CEO and their company's bottom line.



Accusing people of not paying attention to what the president is doing is what is shameful and disgusting. Shame on those doing it.

[salinen]

23. right.

with all 3 branches of gov. he has done very poorly in MHO.

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[Odin2005]

19. The cheerleading of corporatist BS is shameful and disgusting.

[CakeGrrl]

30. Knock it off with the "cheerleading" bullcrap

Do you honestly see anyone around here going "This is the bestest legislation EVAH!!!!"

I don't think you do.

I doubt there's ANYONE here who believes it's a good thing to extend tax cuts for the upper incomes.

But if the Republicans continue to be asses, yet something can be done to get some help for the poor and unemployed despite their ugly behavior, then so be it.

[RBInMaine]

50. No, let's knock off the ridiculous unending tearing-up of this good President out of purist thinking

[eridani]

21. Working for the destruction of Social Security is not progressive

I can't afford any of the shitty high risk options available to those bwtween 26 and 65. My $60 tax cut doesn't mean shit to me, but no Social Security COLA is harmful.

[RBInMaine]

51. Hyperbole. He is NOT "working to end Social Security." That's nonsense.

[eridani]

90. He appointed Bowles and Simpson, and stuck defunding of SocSec

--into the tax package. That is a direct attack on old people.

[TheKentuckian]

25. I didn't sign up for Reaganomics and don't give a crap about your railings and wish lists.

[treestar]

26. Amen!

He has done so much! Negative people are just negative!

[ProudDad]

32. It's easy to be negative when the Dems are pissing on our heads and calling it "rain"... (n/t)

[treestar]

89. Congratulations on it being easy

Makes it sound desirable. To some people, it apparently is.

[whosinpower]

28. OH THE SHAME OF STANDING FIRM FOR ONES PRINCIPLES

Tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs.
I'll repeat that - Tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs.
One more time - tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs.

INCREASING TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY DO CREATE JOBS.
Why?
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THEY WILL LOOK TO INVEST THEIR MONEY INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO UNCLE SAM.
What that means - is this -
Instead of sitting on all those trillions, they will invest it in new business - even moreso if the incentive is to create or grow business in America.

Giving them yet one more tax holiday allows them to sit on their money.....and wait for some miracle of miracles to give them a reason to get off their hiney and actually DO something with their money. BUT, if you tax them - rest assured they will look for ways to get out of paying - and that means USING it, instead of SITTING on it. If you TAX them - it effectively says - USE IT OR LOSE IT.

Giving them their golden pony will NOT improve the economy. Saying pretty please will not encourage them to spend their money and invest in America. Tossing in an estate tax holiday will not entice them. Begging will not work, and nor will an empty threat that it might endanger the presidency of Obama.

You keep saying that this tax cut deal, with its unemployment extension and a payroll tax holiday are stimulus - they aren't. I am calling you on that. I am calling the president to the mat for even suggesting that the payroll tax holiday is a DEMOCRAT goal, and aggressively selling it as such, undermining his own party, negating democrat principles. It is utterly shameful that republican principles are being sold BY YOU as a miraculous thing of wonder that will guarantee Obama's re election, kick start the economy and save the day. Because if that is right and true and real - then there is no reason to be a democrat at all All their ideas, and concepts and ideologies mean nothing at all. And YOU might be totally ready to go there, but I am not. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NOT COMPROMISE ON - AND YOU CAN CALL ME A PURIST IF YOU WANT, AND I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

[sad sally]

35. Every compromise was surrender and invited new demands.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. Now Bush Tax Cuts are 'progressive'?

[RBInMaine]

54. No, and that was never said. BUT, there are a number of progressive measures included, or don't you

see that? ie tax cuts for the middle class, energy tax credits, unemployment insurance, etc. etc.

[ProudDad]

31. Yep, real "Progress"

more war and more war funding...

More bush/Obama era repression and secrecy...

Bigger and bigger deficits for war and "tax breaks"...

Regressive bush/Obama tax giveaways...

Health Care giveaway to insurance corporations and Big PhRMA...

Embarrassing self and country by justifying war while pickin' up Peace Prize...

But at least he signed an executive order to halt DADT...oh, he didn't? Never mind...


Well, he occasionally make "progressive" noises in his speeches. Too bad he doesn't follow through.

I wonder why? Oh, yeah...

'CAUSE HE'S NOT NOW NOR HAS EVER BEEN PROGRESSIVE!

[salinen]

36. +1

[frylock]

37. i, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..

hail obama.

[Union Scribe]

38. "truly nasty"...I'm sorry, aren't you the same person who called DUers "learning disabled"

for criticizing this tax deal?

[RBInMaine]

104. No, in RESPONSE to endless hyperbolic nastiness I fought fire with some fire, and was not referring

to all DUers, only those who can't figure out common sense and the obvious writing on the wall.

[neverforget]

39. Who's the Purist? Those who want something better or those that accept

whatever Obama does?

[Fruittree]

53. You can be purist in your desires but realistic enough to accept that

progress in a society as large and varied as ours is going to be a step by step process and is going to have to involve compromise. Putting it all on the shoulders of one man while people just sit back and criticize and complain is not only unfair but pretty unrealistic. I'd really like to see what some of the people who criticize Pres. Obama most would do in his situation.

[niceypoo]

40. Your name calling negates whatever point you were trying to make

And your endless hyperbolic attacks against liberals, liberalism and the left are shameful and disgusting coming from a Democrat. Your hatred for your own side of the aisle makes your posts incoherent.

[CakeGrrl]

41. "Your name calling negates whatever point you were trying to make"

Go tell that to the group who calls the President "weak", "wimp", "small", "pathetic", "Capitulator-in-Chief", "Appeaser-in-Chief", "caver", and so on and so forth.

[niceypoo]

42. So you are for mindless name calling of other Democrats?

There are two sides of the aisle in congress, the left and the right. Which side are you on?

[Sheepshank]

97. Pot, meet kettle

"And your endless hyperbolic attacks........are shameful and disgusting"

bwah haa haa haa

[blazerunner]

44. We're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.

[niceypoo]

45. What I dont understand is how criticism of Obama's policies ...

...drives people to become self hating Democrats, which is what a 'left hating' Democrat is.

[RBInMaine]

55. Read the OP. Never said that. It is the hyperbolic attacks that are being rightfully criticized.

[Union Scribe]

58. thesaurus.com

Your use of hyperbole/hyperbolic is growing threadbare, especially considering your practice of the word in addition to your use of it.

[burning rain]

46. Yeah, I know. He just forced the Republicans to acccept extending Bush's tax cuts for the rich.

What a tough guy!

[RBInMaine]

56. What a shitty reply. You only underscore the very point of the OP. Shameful and tunnel visioned.

[burning rain]

95. If Dems had permanently extended the Bush tax cuts, you'd be praising that, too.

I'll pass.

[RBInMaine]

105. Bullshit. Read the OP and just try to escape your fringe tunnel vision.

[burning rain]

112. I did & there's virtually nothing of substance for me to address.

Just a bit of moaning over vaguely-defined "purism" and praise of vaguely-defined "progress." The word collocation "fringe tunnel vision" is slightly amusing, though.

[ima_sinnic]

48. sorry, taking over the word "progressive" isn't going to work for you either

Just as the Reagan "democrats" have tried to apply the word "liberal" to themselves, now the most rabid anti-progressive peeps try to twist "progressive" to apply to themselves.

There's no "purity" in insisting that government work for We The People instead of for Them The Rich Few. You can spin the highly damaging tax cuts however you want, but let's not pretend they're "progressive," okay? "Progressive" would have been standing firm on "promises" made when the promise-maker was seeking votes and seeing the wisdom of letting the tax cuts expire AS THEY WERE INTENDED.

In other words, don't hand me a shit sandwich and call it steak and cheese. I think I'm not alone in saying, I ain't buying.

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[Union Scribe]

57. By your warped definition, Bush was a progressive

because he made "advances toward an ideal."

And, for crying out loud, stop whining about other people being "mean" until you can stop spewing insults and smears.

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60. But...but...the root is simply "progress"...

anything that can be called progress by someone must be progressive, after all a word's root is the ULTIMATE say-so on its usage, right? That's what you've been saying this whole damn thread, after all. And nowhere in that root is anything about liberalism. For that you have to use those awful modern definitions, which describe an ideology rather than physical movement, and you've flatly rejected that. Face it, none of your arguments make any sense.

[Dawgs]

76. +1.

Nice.

:rofl:

[Bluenorthwest]

77. The President is openly dedicated to purity of dogmatic belief

he says his opposition to equal rights for GLBT people is based on his need to keep the 'sacrament' utterly pure for those who are 'sanctified'. The purity of a legal contract foisted as a religious ritual, for the sake of that purist desire, millions of Americans have to forgo equal protection under the law.
The irony of using the world 'purist' to slime critics of a man who actually says he wishes to 'defend the purity' of a 'sacratment' intended only for special, sanctified people is beyond desrcription.
I'm a purist, but he defends Sacaraments and claims to be Sanctified and devoted to illogical belief in place of reason, a pure, unaltered theology.

[ima_sinnic]

106. you have made great points in this thread

against which nobody has even tried to argue.

there are certain things that simply cannot be spun, twisted, or lied about, things that are "out there" in plain sight for the whole world to see (actually, all of it is "out there," and there are foolish attempts to spin it into something digestible, with only temporary success at best; it must be kind of like playing whack-a-mole)--things I never would have expected from a Democrat, especially one who campaigned on "fierce advocacy" and "change."

The whole "purity" schtick is just that: a schtick, a gimmick, a distraction, a stupid justification for promoting republican policies while associating with the Democratic Party.

[ima_sinnic]

62. hey. I don't need an "English lesson," I'm a professional editor,

and precise meanings of words are very important to me.
Just because "progressive" has "progress" at its base, it does not mean cheering "getting somewhere" (no matter where) IN POLITICS.

Yes, you can say, "I made progress on completing that project"--you got somewhere.
A Progressive does not say, "We made progress on restoring tax cuts to rich greedy pigs."

A Progressive supports and fights for forward-thinking, enlightened causes that benefit people and the planet and all of life. A Progressive does NOT build the economy of an entire country on the backs of working stiffs while showing favoritism and pandering to rich people (millionaires comprise about 8 million people in this country; that is less than 8% of voters! Why are they so f****ng important? It can't be because they're the real string pullers, can it?)

Why do we have tax cuts AT ALL in the current state of the U.S. economy? I'm "middle class," and I don't expect one, because I LIKE highways and bridges and public education (what's left of it now) and libraries and museums and national parks as well as PROGRESSIVE projects (that we USED to have under REAL Democrats) like Head Start--and disaster relief in times of Katrinas as well as an occasional hand if needed for food, shelter, and clothing.

Hey, we could go all the way and be like Ethiopia and Somalia -- everybody has tax cuts up the wazoo in those places. Now that would be REAL "progress"!!! Cut out all taxes altogether! Why do halfway? Is that what you're aiming for, "progressive"??

[displacedvermoter]

99. Outstanding!!!

No civics lessons needed here!

Thanks, I wish I could recommend this.

[MH1]

84. 'taking over'?! Hardly. It's radicals who have tried to take over the word 'progressive'

because radicalism doesn't sit well with many people, even people who agree with the end goals.

Progressivism is an approach. You don't like it, don't call yourself 'progressive'. You want radical change overnight, be honest and call yourself what you are - a radical. And be proud of the word, if that is what you believe.

Signed, an unabashed progressive LIBERAL.

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[Vinca]

65. It's obvious my expectations were way too high. Shame on me.

:banghead: I should have realized a Democratic House, Senate and President would continue the Bush era economic policies that worked so well.

[Meshuga]

66. LOL - I see that Republicans and Obama are the new progressives now

Let's observe the so called "progress" when we see what these tax cuts will actually do to Social Security in the long run. Let's see progress after the deficit expands so much that it will be used as a reason to cut entitlements and things that helps regular folk.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. When DUERS Call Barack Obama A Grifter We Have Officially Reached A New Low

.

[ima_sinnic]

72. yes

"con artist" is much more refined-sounding.

[ima_sinnic]

71. what "hyperbolic attacks"? "hyperbolic praise" is more like it

The man made no effort WHATSOEVER to let the tax cuts for the rich expire, as the MAJORITY of AMERICAN PEOPLE wanted. In fact, he WENT OUT OF HIS WAY to preserve them, bending over backward to ensure they would stay for "two more years" in a "compromise" (one of his famous "compromises" that is made BEFORE "negotiations" even begin).

Spare me the tongue-lashing, because, as a middle-class American on the brink of collecting SS, I have been royally SCREWED by a president to whom I donated time and money in the expectation that he would LEAD the country in the direction he painted, a NEW direction, with freedom and opportunity for EVERYBODY, and an end to favoritism toward rich people, cronyism in government, and rule by lobbyists -- ALL of which is exactly what has been perpetuated, not ended.

At this point, I consider praise of his timid "leadership," which simply allows republicans whatever they want (oh, with a couple crumbs like an extension of unemployment -- which is so necessary in this economy from which jobs have been shipped with no complaint by him)--I consider that praise to be hyperbole, because it's waaaay overstated and twisted.

Hey, they call it "progress" every time they pave over a meadow to make a parking lot or cut down a rainforest to grow steer beef for McDonalds, too.

Check the elections in 2012 and see how the American voters feel about this kind of "progress."

[blue neen]

96. With all due respect, the extension of unemployment is not a "crumb" to our family.

We WILL be able to have a holiday now. We HAVE had a huge burden lifted off our backs.

I do understand some of your anger, though. We also are on the brink of collecting Social Security...so time will tell what will happen there. IMHO, the real fear for us started with what Bush's stock market crash did to our 401-K accounts.

[ima_sinnic]

103. there is no reason whatsoever that UI had to be tied to tax breaks for wealthy pigs

Our president should have been fighting for unemployment extension with every fiber of his being, as a "Democrat." He should have said unemployment was nonnegotiable, and tax cuts were a frivolous handout to people who needed a handout the least. His actions were in strict opposition to anything I, a Democrat since my first vote for Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, have come to associate with Democrats. I despise what the Democratic Party has become, simply a collection of Reaganites in love with an inhumane "free market" system that runs roughshod over the world, making the dollar more sacred than even human life. We voted for "change" and got whiplash from going BACKWARD at warp speed, solidifying even more strongly the FAIL policies of Ronald Reagan, the clown-ass cowboy "president" who was every bit as goofy and dumb as GWB, and every bit the useful idiot.

[blue neen]

108. All I can say at this point then is that your user name does suit how you feel.

I also am a lifelong voting Democrat. IMHO, Lyndon Johnson was a fantastic President in terms of his social policy successes. Unfortunately, he also made the poor decision to escalate American troop involvement in the Viet Nam War. He was a good legislator, but he, like others, was not purely "progressive". Sadly, we will never know what Bobby Kennedy could have done.

My son is now 27. He says his very first memory is of me shooting rubber bands at the TV set whenever Ronald Reagan was on!

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Are you crazy? The President says his group is 'sanctified by

God' and mine is not. He actually says that. No response in the world could be hyperbolic to 'God likes me better than you people'. Don't know about Maine, but here where we elect Democrats, such slanders are called 'fighting words'. The man slanders my family and community and openly claims his kind are better than we are, in the eyes of the creator of the universe, no less. Then after naming himself as more sanctified than others, he calls the others 'sanctimonious'. It is laughable, slanderous, and his entire lexicon toward my commmunity has been condescending. Every shread of restraint shown in speaking of him is respect for the office, not for that man, that anti-equality sanctified man. Any person who declares themselves to be sanctified by God needs no praise from outside his own ego.
I flat out dare the OP to tell me what she thinks the meaning of 'sanctified' might be in a secualar context. Sanctified. What does that mean, Pragmatically speaking? How does one prove or quantify this 'sanctification'? The President claims to know who is and who is not. But how does he know this?
A Pragmatist only believes in that which is provable. Prove to me your people are 'sanctified' and I am not. Prove the slanders of the President, Kaine, McClurkin, Warren, and DuBois. Show me how you are sanctified, how you prove that in court.
Of course, all you have is a string of slanders for other Democrats. You are Sanctified and have no need to explain!
The Faith Based Pragmatists!

[totodeinhere]

81. Unrec n/t

[Phx_Dem]

82. Yes they are. K&R

[totodeinhere]

83. Why did you leave out the tax cuts for the very rich and Obama's concession on the estate tax?

Your analysis is very one-sided. Obama gave up too much without a fight and he will live to regret it.

[Egnever]

100. Obamas concesion on the estate tax?

by raising it from 0 to 35%?

[RBInMaine]

107. Obviously he had to compromise and make some concessions. Do why don't you leave IN the good things?

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91. K&R

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[political_Dem]

101. [phone]. It's high time we start trying to win back seats for the House.

Seeing old Boner there is disgusting. Bring back good Representatives who can pass some more legislation that will help all of us. The new Teabaggers in Congress are mere placeholders so that Boner can do some posturing.

[Ramulux]

109. Is that really how you see it?

I have a simple question, how do you defend all the things he has done that are empirically horrible? You want to make an angry post talking about some of the good things hes done but you dont even offer up a defense of all the shitty policies he has adopted and continued. I would take you much more seriously if you weren't living in a fantasy world where you dont have to pay attention to the things Obama has done that aren't good. You tell me why I should defend a guy who did not even attempt to win on an issue like the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, he didn't even try, he blew a 700 billion dollar whole in our deficit without any sort of political fight. That fact does not match up with the portrait you are trying to paint of him as this poor defenseless progressive hero who is just doing the best he can.

[Marnie]

110. Unempolyment is not a stimulus

It is subsistence.
Buying less than you would have if you were fully employed will not help the economy recover it just slows its demise.
Its a stop gap

[blue neen]

113. So what would be your suggestion for those of us who had run out of unemployment,

and who had no money to spend WHATSOEVER?

It may not be the ideal situation, but it certainly will help a lot of families, especially now at Christmastime. :)

[ProudDad]

111. And apparently , more than justified! (n/t)

[harun]

114. Finally some people on DU whining about HYPERBOLE!!!

:sarcasm: