If DADT Is Repealed Joe Lieberman Will Go Down As A Legendary Civil Rights Figure

[DemocratSinceBirth]

It shows we are all capable of rising to great heights and all of us are better than our worst moments.

God's speed, Joe Lieberman...

[DrToast]

1. I don't know about THAT

But he deserves credit for his work on this issue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. He's Been A Tireless Advocate And Our Best Bridge To The Open Minded Republicans

If he can pull this off he deserves an awful lot of credit...

[Lil Missy]

2. No he won't

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Yes He Will

He has done yeoman's work on this issue.

[Lasher]

7. No he won't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. It Wouldn't Be Repealed This Senate Without Him

It would be delayed at least a decade.

However the Court would probably intervene...

[Lasher]

32. And it wouldn't be repealed without any of the other 59 votes needed for cloture.

Why single out his one vote on this one issue to morph him from an asshole into a hero?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Because He's The Only Guy On Our Side On This Issue That Can Even Talk To Republicans

Who was going to be our emissary on this issue?

John Kerry? Barbara Boxer?

He's the one who has been kissing Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe's ass on this issue...

[Lasher]

36. Oh please, he's the only member of the Democratic caucus who is on speaking terms with Republicans?

Even on this one issue? The only Senator? You're just plain wrong.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Saw Harry Reid Bring It Up Last Week Only To See He Doesn't Have The Votes

Then I see Jow Lieberman consulted with Olympia Snowe and presto...

Be happy America is catching up with the civilized world on this issue...

[Lasher]

45. We have Harry Reid to thank because the bill is coming up for a vote today.

Doesn't that mean Reid will go down in history as a legendary civil rights figure too? How about Representative Patrick Murphy, who introduced H.R. 6520 in the House? That DADT measure was incorporated into H.R. 2965, which the Senate will be voting on today. Why are you trying to make Lieberman the DADT repeal hero, but failing to mention others who are at least as praiseworthy in this as he?

[monmouth]

4. I wonder if he and the "Maverick" are still on speaking terms..LOL....n/t

[provis99]

6. no more so than LBJ did for passing civil rights in 1964.

Credit for being civil rights figures should be given to people like Dan Parks and MLK, not cynical politicans like Lieberman.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I'm Not Putting Him Up There With LBJ

But I'd put him up there with Everett Dirksen who helped secure the Republican votes needed for passage...

[Paladin]

38. Sounds To Me Like You're Putting Him Up There With God Almighty. (N/T)

[TheKentuckian]

10. Sure, civil rights icon, corrupt corporatist, neocon ringleader, and rancid turncoat.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. It Just Shows No Man Is As Bad As His Worst Moment

I though we liberals believed that.

I have two gay friends currently serving. If it is found out they are gay they won't have to sleep with one eye open like Barry Winchell should have done.

[Uzybone]

15. Liberals believe that

sanctimonious people don'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Of Course He Has Done A Lot Of Crappy Things Like Supporting McCain

But in the sweep of history they pale in significance to overturning DADT.

I hope he can pull it off...

[Uzybone]

20. Give credit where it is due

LIEberman is a schmuck overall, but he has fought harder for ending DADT than many of our liberal darlings.

[TheKentuckian]

39. and that a turd is not only its best moment

[Whisp]

12. don't forget Schmuck.

that toad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. This Is A Redemptive Act

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[Whisp]

22. It is the normal and right thing to do, why should Lieberschmuck

get hero credit for just doing the right thing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. It's One Thing To Do The Right Thing

It's another thing to work tirelessly on its behalf.

[bluestateguy]

14. I think he is running for reelection in 2012 as a Democrat

A blue state where Obama remains popular in a presidential year. This helps to repair rifts with the progressive community.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Give Up

He's the only guy on our side on this issue who can even talk to Republicans.

[LawnLover]

17. That's a big fat bit of hyperbole, don't you think? nt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. If DADT Is Repealed His Work On The Issued

If DADT is repealed his work on the issue is the "without which" it would not have been repealed.

He's our only bridge to "moderate" Republicans on this issue. Who else would reach them? John Kerry? Barbara Boxer?

[jobycom]

19. He was a fierce champion of Civil Rights in the 60s and 70s, though people have forgotten that.

He marched with Martin Luther King in Mississippi and fought for Civil Rights consistently. In the 2000 race the Clintons claimed they first met him working on Civil Rights issues in the early 70s. On most social issues he's been a liberal. He's opposed most laws discriminating against gays, called for equal pay for women, supported drivers licenses for immigrants, and in general been good on liberal social issues.

On the other hand, he has waffled on Affirmative Action (partially, anyway), and full marriage equality (although his views there have been in line with many other politicians trying to play both sides of the field, and overall he seems to support it but not want the political penalty for openly supporting it).

Of course, he's gotten more conservative over the last few years, mostly over the wars and a reaction against those of us who opposed it. But he has had his accomplishments. He's one of those politicians we won't be able to fully judge until years after he's out of office, when his career can be summarized.

None of that means he's not in the way on most issues now, though. Still, glad to see him working so hard for this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. He Marched In Freedom Summer As You Said

Sometimes we have a bad habit of turning our friends and enemnies into cartoons...

[jobycom]

46. Yeah. nt

[vaberella]

21. Maybe now people can understand why Obama did not strip him of all his power.

He's influential and Obama new they would need him for this cause. In the end this is paying off..or I hope it does.

[COLGATE4]

26. Obama didn't strip him because Obama is a wuss. No other

explanation needed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. It Was Up To Reid

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[COLGATE4]

24. Even if DADT is repealed, Joe Lieberman will go down in history

as an opportunistic, turncoat asshole. The only 'heights' he has risen to are coldly calculated to try and make it possible for him to somehow get reelected.

[bigwillq]

33. Good post.

I agree. :thumbsup:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

27. Yep.

Haters to the left.


He fought hard for this, and he will get credit in history if it is indeed overturned.

[Larkspur]

29. Lieberman supports DADT because he wants more cannon fodder for the wars he wants to wage

and he doesn't want his offspring to be sent into war.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. The Children Of The Well Connected Easily Avoid Service

That's why not one student from the Harvard graduating class of 1864 served in the Union...

[Ozymanithrax]

35. Humans are not simple beings...

It is possible to be an unrepentant bastard in one aspect of your life and heroic in another.

[ruggerson]

40. You are dead on correct

and I really dislikek Joe Lieberman.

Don't forget Harry Reid. He is putting this over the goal line strategically.

[AlinPA]

41. People here know of my distrust of Lieberman, but you are right-if this goes through he

will gain huge respect from Democrats, including me. I just hope he is operating in honesty. Collins scares me, being so close to this.

[Yavin4]

42. Joe Wants As Many Bodies As Possible To Be In The Military To Fight Wars in the Middle East

For him, this aint got nothing to do with Civil Rights. He just wants to make sure that there's a ample supply of able bodies to fight a war in Iran.

[mitchtv]

43. If this passes(which I still doubt)

he gets MVP from me

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. ha

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[martymar64]

44. I will give him credit for this but I still hope he goes down in flames in 2012.

He's betrayed us on too many other things to allow this one thing to make all the rest of his treachery go away.

[CreekDog]

47. I really don't care...but if that's what it takes to pass it, then fine with me

Because I don't care who gets credit for civil rights, I care who gets civil rights.