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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:49 AM Original message |
.Andrew Sullivan gets it: The Tory President |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Obama can't do anything right.... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well most haters don't like Sullivan either. So it's whatever. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. He got me into Burke |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I liked it because Sullivan |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The big picture escapes most of them, they want the instant gratification |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. This is a good, sober and honest evaluation from Sullivan ... |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
48. Obama will be working for all of us when he cuts Social Security too. I can't wait. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Oh yeah. I predict DU will be full of born again deficit hawks soon |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. +1 n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. I need to get more books on Eisenhower. Any recommendation?! n/t |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yes, Eisenhower was a much better republican than Obama, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. The idea of a payroll tax holiday has long been supported by liberal economists such as |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Read what you just posted - Obama didn't do that. |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. The objection of the left seems to be to the idea of a payroll tax holiday. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. You did not respond to what I said. Obama DID NOT do what you claim. |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. You said it wasn't the same as Reich's plan. Of course it's not. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Objection is that it is not targeted to the folks who need it most - |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I agree that it could be a lot better, |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. My research re the DLC attack on social security - |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. Your pragmatic, liberal reformism is killing people. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Not getting the flu vaccine kills people too - so do hospitals |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Damned those progressives for caring about the deaths of working class folks |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Reagan is dead. Get over it. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. +1 |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Guess what - we're going to fight whether you like it or not. I know you'd rather us lie down and |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Wow, that post is just dripping with gooey irony. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. "Getting IT done" is not positive when it is a supply-side agenda. Unless you're a billionaire - |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Reaganomics lives. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. not as long as Democrats vote to keep his policies going |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm reccing this not because I agree with it, but it's an interesting point of view. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
20. K &R |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
23. Sullivan was a leading Iraq invasion cheerleader |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Once in awhile a pub gets it right, and Sullivan did on this. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Thank you for this post! |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. He has also publicly stated he was wrong and regrets supporting the war. He has also been a strong |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. "Fiscal conservatives" are the most Republican Republicans you can find. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. About the writer, not about what he said. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. About a proven, glaring lack of insight and long view on the |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
26. And Yet Another Right Wing Pundit Joins The Obama Fan Club. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Sullivan hasn't considered himself Republican for a while. Where have you been? He also said he |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. But his philosophy has not changed. It is the party that left him. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. ^ Oh, bull, Pisces. Sullivan is a hypocrite who'll do anything to hang out with 'power' n/t |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. I Stand By My Comments. |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
55. What Sullivan considers himself is less relevant than the fact of what he is ideologically. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
34. No surprise that Sullivan would envision Obama as a Republican. He is one. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Ike Would Definitely Be Considered A RINO Nowadays And Could Never Win The Repub Nomination |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
36. The Tory Party Was The Predecessor To The Conservative Party In The UK |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
41. Barebacker still has to give a jab to the liberals, |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
47. So being called a fucking Tory is considered complimentary |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Nah. It's Sullivan's thing. Read the article and ignore the word. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Ignore it? I don't think so. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Dude, we are -- |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Seriously. Up is now officially down. eom |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. I disagree with this phrase in the article |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Maybe he means they were not affected much by the recession? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. I like Sullivan, but I think he's pushing it here. He's lost his objectivity. nt |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
54. you do realize that the Tories were run out of the country, right? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I can barely grok what I am seeing here -- |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
57. Yes, Andrew Sullivan DOES get it. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
60. Tories in the News! For those who don't get what Sully is saying. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
64. Absolute drivel....from a known 'fair-weather' commentator... |
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