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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:07 AM
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PPP: Obama's real intra party opposition--conservative Dems not liberals (PPP Poll of WI & OH)
The media's spent a lot of energy the last couple weeks on the specter of a challenge to Barack Obama from the left for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2012. Here's a curveball- there are actually more Democratic primary voters in Ohio and Wisconsin who would like a more conservative nominee than Obama in 2012 than there are ones who would like someone more liberal.

Mind you there aren't many Democrats who want Obama deposed anyway- 70% in Wisconsin and 67% in Ohio would like him to be the nominee for a second term. But most of those who would like a different face want one to Obama's right- in Ohio 15% would like a more conservative nominee to only 7% who want someone more liberal and in Wisconsin 14% would like a more conservative nominee to 9% who want someone more liberal.

Even if liberal Democrats are unhappy with Obama on the tax deal- and our polls earlier this week in these states showed they are- it's not having too big an impact on their overall reviews of him. 93% in Wisconsin approve of the job Obama's doing compared to 80% of moderate Democrats and 63% of conservative ones. Ohio liberals are more unhappy with Obama- his approval with them is 76%, lower than his 78% with moderate ones. His standing with conservative Democrats in Ohio is all the way down at 43%.

Conservative Democrats are ultimately a bigger threat to Obama's reelection prospects than liberal ones. They don't necessarily make a lot of noise about it when they're unhappy- they just go out and vote for Republicans. Liberals on the other hand really have nowhere to go- they can stay at home or vote for Ralph Nader but ultimately that's just going to get them someone who makes them a lot more unhappy than Obama. It's not a pleasant reality, but in our two party system that's just the way it goes- conservatives definitely have more leverage than liberals within the Democratic coalition and that's why they so often get their way despite their smaller numbers.

The media's spent a lot of energy the last couple weeks on the specter of a challenge to Barack Obama from the left for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2012. Here's a curveball- there are actually more Democratic primary voters in Ohio and Wisconsin who would like a more conservative nominee than Obama in 2012 than there are ones who would like someone more liberal.

Mind you there aren't many Democrats who want Obama deposed anyway- 70% in Wisconsin and 67% in Ohio would like him to be the nominee for a second term. But most of those who would like a different face want one to Obama's right- in Ohio 15% would like a more conservative nominee to only 7% who want someone more liberal and in Wisconsin 14% would like a more conservative nominee to 9% who want someone more liberal.

Even if liberal Democrats are unhappy with Obama on the tax deal- and our polls earlier this week in these states showed they are- it's not having too big an impact on their overall reviews of him. 93% in Wisconsin approve of the job Obama's doing compared to 80% of moderate Democrats and 63% of conservative ones. Ohio liberals are more unhappy with Obama- his approval with them is 76%, lower than his 78% with moderate ones. His standing with conservative Democrats in Ohio is all the way down at 43%.

Conservative Democrats are ultimately a bigger threat to Obama's reelection prospects than liberal ones. They don't necessarily make a lot of noise about it when they're unhappy- they just go out and vote for Republicans. Liberals on the other hand really have nowhere to go- they can stay at home or vote for Ralph Nader but ultimately that's just going to get them someone who makes them a lot more unhappy than Obama. It's not a pleasant reality, but in our two party system that's just the way it goes- conservatives definitely have more leverage than liberals within the Democratic coalition and that's why they so often get their way despite their smaller numbers.

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:12 AM
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1. Liberals....
are mad at Obama that he is not more to the left, conservative dems are mad at Obama because he is not more to the right, repubs think he is a socialist and hates big business, and dems think he is a corporate loving conservative....THIS PROVES TO ME THAT OBAMA IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:18 AM
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2. What it proves to me is how divided this country has become.
I was wondering yesterday whether the Republicans are in fact using the threat of filibuster more often, or whether they disagree with us on so many more things that the filibuster keeps coming up. I associate filibuster with the attempts to block civil rights legislation, now it covers almost every aspect of policy.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:24 AM
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3. The repubs fillubuster...
their own ideas over and over these past 2 years...it's not about disagreeing with us, it's about not giving Obama a "win." If a repub was in the WH now all the fucking dems in the senate would be voting in favor of START.....
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:35 AM
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4. Good point.
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