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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:46 AM
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"Palin can't get elected"
They said the same about Raygun and the Chimp
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:50 AM
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1. Reagan was a better actor, and Bush the lessor had a President for a father.
Palin can't get elected because at the end of the day, the Corpratists who run the GOP, the ones who created the Tea Party, won't allow it.

She's a feckless dope who can not be trusted to follow their orders to the letter. Bush was born to be their puppet. And they feed Reagan his lines.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:02 AM
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7. Reagan also
finished out 2 terms as Governor of CA, a large and populated state. Sarah did a half stint as Governor of a state that has a population less than the size of San Francisco. She couldn't handle that.

Sarah seems to consider the fact that she was mayor of Wasilla, pop. 6000, a credible qualification for president. Oh, and she has a reality TV show.

I can't imagine that TPTB in the GOP would want someone who is so unmanageable, either.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:37 PM
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12. Reagen was a VERY formidable political force ...
As noted, two terms as governor of the largest state, he was the president of the screen actors guild, or whatever it was ...

He also spent DECADES, literally, as a leading voice of the republican movement - the classic ALBUMS of him in his fatherly voice warning of socialized medicine back in the 60s or whatever it was ...

Bush came 8 years after HIS FATHER, and also had been governor of the second largest state ... The MSM allowed the Rove to define him as the "outsider" but he was the ULTIMATE insider as the son of a former president/VP/Director of the CIA or whatever it was ... His family was an oil family ...

Also, finally, they were ...

MEN - important with their base, at least ...

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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:51 PM
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15. Bedtime for Bonzo and a good slap to Angie Dickinson didn't hurt either
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:55 PM
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16. Exactly..the actor Reagan had name recognition with very high likeability
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 02:26 PM
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19. Yeah, and seems like being able to act has been necessary for most Presidents
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:37 PM
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20. Likability is important ... and Sarah does not have it.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:52 AM
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2. Palin even scares lots of Republican voters, believe it or not, & many Independents
That's why she doesn't stand a chance.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:44 PM
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21. Intellegent women who have worked in male dominated fields tend to hate her.
They see Palin not leveraging any actual skills to advance, but rather her looks and sexuality.

I know a number of business women who "know" a Sarah Palin, a woman who is incompetent, but who is able to manipulate the men around her with a wink and a smile. Their view is that while they work hard to get ahead, often having to far out perform male counter parts, a "Palinesque" woman doesn't have to work at all. All she has to do is make the men feel as if she might be even slightly interested in them. She plays to their ego.

These women I know also find that a "Palin" tries to manipulate the women around them as well. The talk like a champion of women breaking the glass ceilings, but she's also undercutting the other women around her when the chances arise.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:54 AM
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3. One should never over estimate the intelligence of the American
voter. Remember, 40% of Americans believe that God created the human race 10,000 ago in it's present form.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:55 AM
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4. Palin doesn't WANT to get elected. She just wants to run.
Then again, neither did Jesse Ventura.


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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:59 AM
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6. I think so. Just like Governor. She resigned before the half way mark
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 10:59 AM by WI_DEM
she just likes the attention--but when it comes to the work of governing--that's another thing.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:58 AM
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5. While anything is possible, I think that I would still rather gamble on Palin as the GOP
nominee than anybody else. Across the line people feel she is unqualified. How Reagan won was in his one and only debate with Carter. Up until then Carter was very close or even in Gallup slightly ahead of Reagan. Reagan being a polished TV performer won the debate--and from then on he continued to gain ground. There is no way in debates with Obama that Palin would upstage him and she would do or say something (perhaps many things) during the campaign which will backfire on her.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:14 AM
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9. She couldn't upstage him in content
but she's very charismatic, and Obama wouldn't dare attack her because she's a woman.

I can't stand her, but I'd like to see her run,because I think Obama would beat her.

Then again, you never know. I thought Reagan was a joke, too.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:10 AM
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8. Palin's popularity is narrow
the who people love her, really love her, but in grand scheme she's not that popular. Her running would be a godsend ,becuase IMO it would make at least make the GOP primaries very bloody.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:22 AM
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10. Palin Has No Chance Because She Would Expose The Farce That Is The American Political System
In the end, our corporate masters need us to believe in their potemkin village of a political system, and if a complete joke like Palin gets elected, then all respect for their political system would go out the window.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:30 PM
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11. Look
Back In 2000 I was never one who believed Bush couldn't win.Remember back In 1998 after midterms up till the aftermath of the
Democratic Convention In 2000 Bush almost always lead Gore In Polls.Palin does not lead Obama In any poll.In fact PPP has Obama
winning In Missouri If Palin Is the nominee.

Reagan was charamastic figure.2 terms as Governor of california.Running for President In 1968 and 1976(Many Grassroots Republicans
felt If he was the nominee over the establishment pick Ford he would have beaten Carter) and In 1980 the one debate between him
and Carter took a race where polls had It tied or Carter slightly ahead to a Reagan landslide.

Palin Is not Reagan or Bush.But remember Obama Is not Gore or Carter.Obama Is the Democratic Version of Reagan.Just as liberals
underestmated Reagan Republicans,The MSM pundits,and some here underestimate Obama.

As I keep reminding people Republicans nominate frontrunners.Palin or Romney will be the Nominee Inless both are so damaged that
Huchabee or Gingrich can pull It out.More likely sceniros are tea bagers getting Palin the nodd and then a lot of republicans eat
crow and speak highly of her like Mccain In 2008 or Huchabee and Gingrich draw enough tea bagger support away from palin and
the establishment choice Romney gets the nodd.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:50 PM
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23. I expect her to run, quit early, and then endorse Romney.
Romney the Mormon needs help with the far right evangelicals. Palin could give it to him. Beck (the Fox Mormon) will also endorse Romney. That gives Romney the crazy base, and he'll already have the Corporatist leaders of the GOP.

Palin will be BOUGHT OFF. The lords of the GOP will probably start to teach the Palin kids how to walk and to talk and to act like an actual lady.

Of course, they will have to fight with Cheney daughters and McCain daughters for the GOP spot light. And I won't be surprised to see the Bush twins suddenly jump into politics at some point.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:40 PM
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13. Bush was more educated, more experienced and more capable of feigning class than Palin.
After being exposed to Sarah Palin, its hard for me to even think of Bush as stupid anymore. She has redefined stupid for me.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 12:51 PM
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14. I don't even want her on the ticket - it damages America's credibility as a nation of ideas

the only idea that would project is that we are full of 'bad ideas'

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having said that, if she runs, she's going to be an easy loss for the GOP - slam dunk loser.

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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 01:57 PM
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17. Palin can't get nominated
My golf club, as is typical, is 80% republican so I hear a lot of
republican opinions and very few think Palin is presidential material.
I will be shocked if she wins nomination.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 04:48 PM
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22. She doesn't intend to get nominated
she is about making noise, making money and all about her. She is not interested in public service or she would have finished her term as gov.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 02:25 PM
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18. Who said that about Reagan, and when?
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 02:26 PM by slackmaster
I remember one news commentator on TV saying, after Reagan's concession speech at the closing of the 1976 GOP convention, "I have a feeling we haven't heard the last from Ronald Reagan."
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