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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:48 AM Original message |
Lyndon Baines Johnson was the BEST President in my lifetime. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Rec, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Thanks. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
172. His popularity was down to 16% at the end of his term. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Most progressives I know don't approve of Obama's escalation of Afghanistan. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. Unrec...nt |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
113. rec...nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
183. Thanks. n/t |
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cordelia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
114. Rec |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #114 |
184. Thanks. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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egoclothes (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
157. Rec..... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. Thanks. Happy holidays to you too. n/t |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
190. Rec |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Thanks. n/t |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. So, would Obama be 2nd best then in your view? |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. Vietnam=Afgjanistan? You gotta be kidding? How old are you? Did you live through the |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Maybe you should re-read my post. |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. sorry Joe. You're right. I missed the ?. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. I'll respond just to help you with your expiriment. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
4. this post bores me |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Be fair, now. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
31. No, no , no .... its is actually part of an experiement I started yesterday. Seriously. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
107. Oh my....... |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Inspired you enough to post a response. |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
5. Viet Nam Was The Result Of A Lie - Afghanistan Was The Result Of 9/11 |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
63. You missed the point. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. So, you think Johnson gave away a whole, whole lot in Vietnam. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. No need to be rude. |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
83. Yep, all those Afghanis on those planes |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
111. Learn history before posting |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Afghanistan was still an illegal war under international law. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. Germany never attacked mainland USA |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #125 |
140. Germany attacked an ally. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #140 |
153. Taliban is hardly an innocent bystander in pre-911 Afghanistan |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Vengeance is a stupid way to react. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I can understand why you feel that way |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #140 |
174. Germany declared war on the United States |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #140 |
226. Germany delared war on the United States following Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #140 |
232. And Japan, an ally of Germany, did attack us |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #125 |
141. Try learning some history yourself; I promise it won't hurt |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
154. Germany never sent a single bomber aircraft to US mainland |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #125 |
181. In case you missed the news |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #111 |
197. Why does the FBI's page for Bin Laden not list 9/11 as one of the crimes he has committed? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
223. terrorists allegedly trained at flight schools in america.. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
229. Pakistan had about 2/3 of the training camps |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
122. "Afghanistan was the result of 9/11" |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #122 |
179. PNAC's official documents better explain 9-11. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
165. Bologna |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
196. Afghanistan was the result of the gas pipeline Enron wanted there for years... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm sure LBJ was the best President of your lifetime. For those of us under the age of 42, |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. uh no |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. This thread is for you, then. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
7. Everyone has an opinion...... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. Do you really think it is fair |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
68. 5 years for LBJ, but let's not split hairs. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. If not for the albatross of Vietnam... |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. LBJ also had a more solidly Democratic Congress. |
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tilsammans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. And Democrats generally were true to Democratic principles . . . |
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SanchoPanza (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
95. Yes. Good old fashioned Democratic principles like segregation. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
233. which LBJ was not afraid to fight against |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Very true...and the D's of yore were quite different than... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. True, but Obama has knifed the left too many times for me to call him a "great" President. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. When I look at presidents, Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Truman, TR all |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I agree that it's far too early to judge Obama. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #73 |
227. I just hope I am around long enought to have an opionion. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #227 |
228. I hope so too, olegramps. Keep on keeping on. n/t |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. K & R for the OP, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
143. Thanks. n/t |
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morningglory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. LBJ gave me a college education, and I have paid many |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Good for you! |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
112. Although LBJ did not start Viet-Nam |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Actually, Eisenhower sent the first advisors to VN, not many... |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #116 |
129. Thank you for adding this bit of fact!!!! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
199. "Johnson was eventually caught in it..." Oh please! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
198. I still suspect he had something to do with the Kennedy assasination... |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
10. Well, I'm younger than 42... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. Honestly, you are the reason I posted this thread. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
101. What were we supposed to "learn" from this OP? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Are you younger than 42? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #106 |
126. This place is such a mess it's ridiculous |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #126 |
133. If it means anything to you, I did not alert on your post. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
148. It actually does mean something to me. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. We disagreed, but I don't think either of us were disagreeable. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #106 |
215. Another group you don't speak for is, folks over 42. Let's just keep |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:24 AM Response to Reply #101 |
214. Oh no, you did'int! |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
213. Oh brother. If the President or anyone in his administration said such |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. More with the ponies. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
15. LOL. You know what's absurd? You calling other opinions absurd. nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. Perhaps, but I think you get my point. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. That's really not your point. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. That's a response to a different thread. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. The Democratic Party has moved way to the right since I have been politically sentient. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. LOL. Your admittedly skewed view is, well, skewed. nt |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
17. Scholars rank FDR the best president of all time, according to the most recent survey. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Here's the fascinating thing about the survey that included President Obama |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yes, that Wiki article is a good resource. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. See my post #31 above, I think you will enjoy it. |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
55. He got the Nobel Peace Prize as well based on his getting |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Huh, interesting. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
18. and a war criminal too! |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. Obama or LBJ? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
78. LBJ - I don't think Obama is a liberal |
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Sheri (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
19. i'm too young for Johnson. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
98. The Democratic Party has been marching right for thirty years. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
216. They've been overwhelmed by the far left who have been helping |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
21. I agree. LBJ makes Obama look like Gerald Ford. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
142. Well said. Here's what Johnson had to say about Ford. |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Bwahahahahahaha |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Johnson was not one to mince words. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
22. I wasn't alive for Polk's presidency |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. but precious few have mourned the passing of.... |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. If it weren't for Vietnam he'd be one of the greatest ever |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
80. I was born during LBJ's administration. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
25. I was born in the time of Reagan. LBJ was way ahead. I can't give him a pass on Vietnam. n/t |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
72. I didn't think I was giving Johnson a pass on Vietnam. |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
27. I am 65 and Obama is in the lead in my mind |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. 40,000 KIA US forces 1963-1969. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
138. I hope you are right. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
204. Not just a dark mark... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
219. Obama prevented a great depression. That makes him pretty great |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-07-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #219 |
225. We may have been better off had Pelosi allowed a depression to happen. |
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HeroTwins (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #225 |
230. to hell with all the people who would suffer, let's have a depression for political gain! |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
30. It's a shame that Johnson is so often defined by Vietnam |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
150. Hear, hear. |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
33. So 58,267 dead and 303,644 wounded is a passing mention? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
96. Obama escalated Afghanistan. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
34. Why didn't he get single payer? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. He actually could have won |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
105. No way would LBJ have won. He was reviled. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
152. That's a good question. |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
37. I read a book on him |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. he was also famous for eating raw onions before cornering congresscritters |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. That's what we expect our leaders to do for common good! If they're not doing that, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #44 |
186. Agreed. n/t |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
45. Yawn....geeze I am sensing a theme here... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
156. And what theme would that be? |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
47. Unrec - what's up with the presidential pissing contest? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. What's up with you bashing people for expressing their opinions? |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. Didn't you read my post? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
48. Deleted message |
Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
51. Really? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #51 |
134. Were I old enough, I'd call FDR "the best President in my lifetime." |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
52. I think LBJ presided over a lot of great legislation, but the War dwarfed everything |
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norske (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. There have been no great US presidents |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
54. In other words it is OK to kill five million innocents, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
79. Nobody said it was OK to kill any innocents. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
99. The Other Vietnam Memorial |
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delightfulstar (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
57. On the domestic front... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
151. Thanks for the response. n/t |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
60. he inherited alot of stuff Kennedy initiated. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #60 |
163. Kennedy and Eisenhower, both. |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
61. Who would you say is the best president of my lifetime? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Carter. You were born before Reagan took office. |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Just wondering |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
86. I like Johnson, he did a lot |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
187. Thanks for the thoughtful response. n/t |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
87. K&R |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
189. Thanks. n/t |
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Stoic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
88. Vietnam destroyed his presidency |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
92. I really didn't care for LBJ as a person - maybe it was the pulling |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I could care less who LBJ was as a person. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. You mean this? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
97. Nixon was in office when I was born. So, I put Carter at the top of my lifetime list. n/t |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #97 |
136. Were I your age, that would have been my choice too. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
100. Deleted message |
Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I can't believe you feel the need to lecture me on what I should post here. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. No lecture. Confusion, maybe. Certainly laughter. But no lecture. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Fair enough. n/t |
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Marnie (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
102. The Gambler-In-Chief |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
155. Hear, hear. n/t |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
115. Who did Obama draft? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #115 |
135. You raise two important points. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
158. No man (or woman) is above critique. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. We don't do lockstep and the 11th Commandment like the Republicans do. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
119. "I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy." |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
145. That's what I'm talkin' about. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
120. Aren't you really saying the "BEST PROGRESSIVE" President in your lifetime. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #120 |
137. Sure. To me, progressive = good or "best" when compared to others. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
121. He's got a LONG way to go to create a term that can rival either of Clinton's. nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #121 |
180. I gotta say, this response puzzles me. |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
123. Lyndon Johnson is heavily unranked as president, he gets blamed for stuff started under JFK |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:15 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. nope... it started under Eisenhower |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
124. I think the problem is that you take huge accomplishments by Obama, and then deny that they are |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
146. You're right on some level. |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
127. Of Course... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #127 |
161. LBJ was "colorful" to be sure. n/t |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
128. Bill MOYERS was LBJ's moral advisor and press secretary |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
131. LBJ approves Gulf Of Tonkin attack/incident that never happened! |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
132. Disagree.. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #132 |
182. Out of curiosity, how old are you? |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-04-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #182 |
202. I think a person's opinion regarding a president is based on |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Obama has definitely gotten things done. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #203 |
221. I don't think he's betrayed the left and his constituents as you say... |
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txwhitedove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
139. "Means of Ascent: The Years of Lyndon Johnson" one of the best books |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
162. Johnson did lots of progressive things |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. As Obama's legacy will include Afghanistan. |
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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
164. He did do a lot for domestic policy... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
166. LBJ is dead |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. You actually raise a very valid point about comparisons and eras. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Most things, both politically and in personal lives, are depenent |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
171. I am completely in agreement |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
173. LBJ held more congressional power than any President since FDR |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Very true. I can't argue with any of that, nor would I want to. |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
176. A very friendly President! He once sent me greetings!! n/t |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
177. i loved johnson for his socially progressives views on government |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #177 |
193. Having that D attched means very little these days. Agreed. n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
188. Yep. Last time we had a Dem President that knew how to use the office. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
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KossackRealityCheck (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
194. 1.Clinton, 2.Obama, 3.Johnson |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #194 |
235. CLINTON? |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
195. Tell it to this girl... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-04-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #195 |
200. War is terrible. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-04-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. That's not true. YOU are giving LBJ a pass. |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
205. Erm why was Vietnam more noble than what we have now?? LBJ did have worthy accomplishments.. |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
206. You can say that Obama "now owns" Afghanistan but he didn't lie us into it. |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
207. I'm 48 and FDR is the best President in my lifetime... |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 03:10 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. He also locked American citizens in concentration camps for looking foreign. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
208. LBJ is a huge reason why my father died in November... |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 03:09 AM Response to Reply #208 |
210. +1 million |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #208 |
217. * |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #208 |
234. And how many MORE such stories will there be as a result of Obama's escalation |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. I don't recall ever mentioning Pres. Obama. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
209. JFK the best then LBJ |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
212. You know what? YOU do not speak for all liberals. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #212 |
218. +1 |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #218 |
220. :) |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
222. Yeah, you speak for all liberals. |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
224. Boring. Opinions are like assholes. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
231. I agree completely. If it weren't for the Vietnam War, LBJ would rank up there with FDR |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
236. I wasn't alive then...I was born in 1975 and barely even remember Carter |
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