Does Michael Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: Does Michael Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[hlthe2b]

1. He's already gotten a second chance... What is the question?

What second chance specifically should he get? Career Yup. Fame Yup. Freedom Yup. Money Yup. Family Yup.

The only thing he is not allowed is a dog which is a lifetime ban imposed by the court. What second chance are you thinking he deserves that he doesn't already have?

[superduperfarleft]

2. Don't forget all the mean things people on the internet are saying about it him!

The horrors...

[Union Scribe]

13. Exactly.

[alp227]

28. I think the OP meant "did" n/t

[nmbluesky]

3. I'm dog lover..

I was so angry at vick what he does to his dogs.. Wrong.. He went to jail for two years.. I hope he learn his mistake..He deserves his second chance..
everyone needs second chance..ok

[LWolf]

4. A second chance at what? nt

[bemildred]

23. Indeed. nt

[Phx_Dem]

5. Of course he does. He served his time and he's doing is community service.

That doesn't mean his crime wasn't totally reprehensible. I wish he wouldn't gotten longer than 19 months, but he didn't and he served his time and his behavior has reportedly been good.

[quickesst]

6. Of course....

....he did the crime, and according to this nation of laws "did the time". I think that what most naysayers are pissed about is that he went back to the lucrative career he had before. If he had been a welder, janitor, construction worker, etc., I think most here would probably be more forgiving. My opinion. Thanks.
quickesst

[OKNancy]

7. exactly n/t

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[niyad]

12. nobody cares that he is black. what is upsetting a lot of people is the lionzing, idolizing, and

fawning that goes on over a person whose only positive trait seems to be handling a ball.

but I find it interesting that you conclude that everyone who despises, loathes or otherwise finds him a less-than-worthwhile person feels that way because he is black, when nobody has said anything of the kind, focusing, instead, on his actions.

[FreakinDJ]

16. all that and He's Black too -

Notice your opinion is out numbered 3 to 1

[cottonseed]

20. People are lionizing, idolizing, and fawning? --- How do you guys come up with this stuff?

It has nothing to do with Vick and who he is. It's the sense that I get, that left in the hands of some here, the guy would be in danger of being murdered. Whether that be Michael Vick, Jessica Simpson, or Joe Everyguy, I tend to take the position that one needs to be protected from the horde. Especially after they've done their time as provided by our legal system.

[emilyg]

17. Race? How silly of you.

[PSzymeczek]

18. He doesn't really get a whole lot of money.

Most of it goes to his creditors under the terms of his Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

[Critters2]

29. Good nt

[martymar64]

42. I hope when he retires he is flat broke and hated.

That is a million better than what he did to those dogs.

[Skittles]

27. yes

we'd all be fawning over dog-torturers if they are WHITE :puke:

[Beacool]

32. People's anger of course HAS to be because he's black.

It could not possibly be because he's an SOB who is responsible for the torture, misery, and even death, of dozens of dogs.

As usual, race will trump anything.

Gee.......

:eyes:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

33. Horseshit.

And it's "they're."

[bigwillq]

9. He's getting his second chance.

And I think he should. We all should.

[martymar64]

43. One consolation, he'll never shake the rep as a Dog Killer

it will follow him to the grave and he will never live it down. Nor should he. He'll never wash that blood off.

[niyad]

10. what do you mean, deserves a second chance? doesn't being hired back at a ridiculously high salary

simply because he can play ball, despite being a vicious, abusive bastard, count?

what do YOU consider "a second chance"?

[CakeGrrl]

11. Yes, and he seems to be making the most of it. n/t

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

14. do pedophiles?

[Ter]

15. No

But Vick does.

[Critters2]

30. Why does he, if pedophiles don't? nt

[sandyj999]

19. I was saddened and enraged when I heard of what he had done.

But I will say that what he did is part of the culture of certain people. That is not an excuse but a reason. He is now working with Wayne Pacelle and the Humane Society of the United States and if they think he is rehabilitated that is good enough for me. I will add though that he should never be allowed to own another dog, he doesn't deserve it.

[KoKo]

35. But..shouldn't we be making folks "little kids and rest" be AWARE to what he did to "Certain People?

I understand what you say...but there's a bigger message here that WE NEED TO STAND UP TO...for FUTURE GENERATIONS!

Can you understand why some of us feel this is so important...that we don't want Vicks Ball Heroics to get in the way of what we want to impart as a message to "Future Generations?" :shrug:

[martymar64]

46. Why not own another dog? Don't you believe he deserves a second chance?

Seems the majority here would have no problems with him owning dogs again.

He's redeemed himself!!! President Obama said so!!!

[awoke_in_2003]

52. part of his plea bargain agreement...

was that he would never own another dog. As he signed off on it, it is a moot point.

[stray cat]

21. So many progressives in favor of capital punishment?

[martymar64]

44. Are you in favor of torturing animals for fun? That is exactly what he did.

If you think he deserves a second chance, then why don't you go buy him a puppy?

[Union Scribe]

51. I hope you didn't pull anything stretching like that.

[TBF]

22. Another chance at what? Unrec. nt

[bullwinkle428]

24. I voted Yes, assuming you're talking about his livelihood.

[MuseRider]

25. He tortured dogs.

He saw the results of his work daily and continued to do it.

NO

[KoKo]

36. That's the TRUTH OF IT...the BOTTOM LINE. He was CONVICTED of CRUELTY to ANIMALS

that HE USED AND ABUSED.

It's important ...and thanks for point that out in a short and important "one liner." We should NOT FORGET what that guy did to the most defenseless of the least of us. :-(

[Bonobo]

26. Of course he does. Are you all so perfect and sinless? nt

[KoKo]

37. I have never been in my life, nor EVER WOULD BE...a TORTURER of the LEAST AMONGST US!

I don't really know many folks here who would sign onto that kind of torture that the Pics from ESPN and Other Reputuable Sites showed of those animals and the discriptions of the jeering and taunting and CRUELTY that was Exhibited by Vick and his ATHLETIC GAMERS were doing to MAKE MILLIONS OUT OF THE SUFFERING OF INNOCENT ANIMALS!

[fujiyama]

31. At what?

At making millions of dollars in salary and endorsements?

He got his second chance. He got released from prison. The NFL need not throw a job offer at him though. What's so commendable about the Eagles offering him a job?

[KoKo]

34. I voted "No" ..but I truly Believe Vick should have been Booted out of His Career...and made to

deal with those who have been indicted on much lesser offenses have had to SUFFER when they've had to "Serve Time."

I am hard on Vick because "Cruelty to Animals...get's onto Cruelty to Humans" and that it's possible that what Vick did he Might Do Again.

BUT...VICK GOT A "Pass" from our President who "singled him out" above other "felons" and so we will have to watch and be "very vigilent" with Vick.

BUT...should he have ever been able to "PLAY BALL AGAIN" for ANY MAJOR TEAM? NO....NO!!! NO!!!! NO!!!

He should have never been allowed to be seen as a "HERO" to the "Little Kids/Young Folks Viewers of Sports in America!"

MICHAEL VICK sends a HORRIBLE "ROLE MODEL EXAMPLES" to our KIDS, GRAND KIDS and EVEN THE REST OF ADULT AMERICA!

IMHO!

[SidDithers]

38. This many air quotes and CAPS in one post makes the Baby Jesus cry...nt

Sid

[KoKo]

40. Sid...when one looks at expressions of angst/heartfelt the way you do...

it leads me to believe that there is no hope in addressing anyone in America...since you hold the keys and do "thought police" to chide those who make a point that you just don't want to hear.

Peace to You in this Season...but...it's useless on deaf ears that anyone could wish you that. You just WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT! (you notice my use of FULL CAPS) ...but please don't discount my message to you: PEACE TO YOU IN THIS SEASON!

[martymar64]

47. Would you trust him with your dog?

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[FrenchieCat]

39. Some people never get to face justice......

so the fact that he did is good.
From all that I have seen, he did pay the price
that this society as a whole chose for him.

In fact, I do wish that the attitude prevalent here and other places
would have been the attitude of the last generation....
to not just seek out justice in a general way, but also specifically against
those who were not only cruel to animals but also those who used animals to cause
real harm to innocent people as well as to other animals.


Although some won't admit that there is still somewhat of a cultural divide
based on historical events in reference to the question on whether the life
of an animal is worth as much as that of a person, what Vick did was horrendously cruel......
and although he paid something for it, I gather there will always be those who will never
think he paid enough, and would prefer to see him burn in hell.

But, I am glad to see that most folks don't hold a grudge, and believe in redemption!

[hack89]

41. Yes. nt

[martymar64]

48. Would you trust him with your dog?

[hack89]

54. Not the issue

he deserves a second chance in his chosen profession. I have no problem restricting his access to dogs.

[craigmatic]

45. It's not a matter to put to a vote. He went to prison and did his time. It's over. Get over it.

[Lisa0825]

50. Yes, but...

that doesn't mean I am personally satisfied with the level of remorse that I perceive, which I feel is lacking.

I can hold a grudge as long as I want.

Should he be legally able to work now that he has served his sentence? Sure.

Do I have to be happy that his idol worshipers have embraced him again? Nope.

[JVS]

53. Just like Pete Rose, no.

[robcon]

55. He's already gotten a second chance, and he's doing very well with it.

He's a different person, IMO - and a better one.