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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:01 PM
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The Michael Vick Double Standard
http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-vick

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Perhaps President Obama is setting a precedent by thanking Lurie for giving Michael Vick a second chance at being a productive citizen. With so many Americans in the correction system for victimless crimes, there is a need for reform to delineate between dangerous criminals and those who harm no one. There should not be a double-standard for star athletes, entertainers, or politicians who are hired as soon as their debt to society has been paid and regular citizens who still can contribute to society but have no fame or special skills.

The man who was caught with a prostitute should have the same opportunity as the man who killed dogs because they didn’t perform, but that is not the case. There is no equity in the system as it stands, and the way it works now the person who is not famous is most likely going to end up back in prison because they have no prospects for employment or the chance to contribute to society.

Americans love their athletes, and Michael Vick is a talented football player, but he is no better than the man convicted of recreational drug use. However, Vick got his second chance as he should have because he paid his debt to society according to the law. If Vick had been a clerk at Wal-Mart, he would not be given a second chance and the likelihood of him ending up back in prison because of a lack of a job would be all but certain. His crime, although atrocious, certainly did not warrant calls for execution, but if he were not a famous athlete, he may as well have been executed because the rest of his life would have been spent in prison.

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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:08 PM
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1. I've got a pimple on my butt that can conjure up a more lucid article.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:14 PM
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2. i posted it because I thought it was a good article
what didn't you like about it?
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:29 PM
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3. It appears you like every article that bashes Obama
nothing new going on here.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:35 PM
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4. the truth of it
knr
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:41 PM
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5. Andy Reid is who lobbied for Michael Vick. Both of Andy Reid's sons were in jail.
The narrative begins with Andy Reid, not with Laurie. Anyone who attempts to start the narrative with Laurie has ulterior motives.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100718_Andy_Reid_s_ordeals_and_triumphs.html
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:26 PM
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9. That Is An Excellent Point...
about Reid's sons. We tend to forget that in the narrative.

-PLA
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:47 PM
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11. Great point! Goes to show that redemption is possible. I'm sure that Andy
can relate.

Again, yet another opportunity to bash the president.

Delighted to unrecommend.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:43 PM
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6. BTW, I do agree with the article on one point, and I don't see how Obama could disagree.
Michael Vick would absolutely not gotten a second chance if he worked for Wal-Mart. Which is why it was good of Obama to point out that Michael Vick had a second chance and deserved a second chance because so many prisoners deserve a second chance. But this concept is lost on far too many "progressives."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:44 PM
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7. Deep!
Another installment in searching for President Obama's "Katrina" or "Waterloo."

If Michael Vick weren't a prominent professional football player, this story wouldn't exist, and most people wouldn't give a damn about anyone in prison. So there is that.

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:48 PM
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12. That's a good point. The people yelling and screaming are behaving
as is they give a shit about those locked up in prison. It's Vick! It's Obama! And that's the problem.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 04:35 AM
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17. no
actually, it was the dogs that was "the problem"
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:57 PM
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13. What you are saying only solidifies the point that the OP is making
If Michael Vick weren't a prominent professional football player, this story wouldn't exist


That makes it even worse to think that Obama only cared because Vick was such a high profile professional athlete.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 06:29 AM
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19. It is pretty much the
main reason why we are talking about him so much lately. An entire off-season goes by and he is rarely mentioned. When Philadelphia signed him this place blew up with threads but the topic died when he was riding the bench. Now that he is playing really well (at one point leading the league in yards per pass attempt which is interesting because before this season, his career yards per carry was better than his yards per pass attempt) we're suddenly talking about him. If he was still riding the bench very few would be talking about him.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 02:05 PM
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25. It's that "I WANT HIM TO FAIL" thang.
;-)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:45 PM
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8. Recommend
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:33 PM
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10. The President doesn't have anything to do with any double standard.
He made a comment to an organization who had already hired Vick. PAST TENSE.

If people actually think, the message the the President is trying to send is to those employers who hire average Americans: Here's an example of an employer who took a chance on an ex-convict and it's paying off for that employer.

If the article is trying to blame a double standard on the President, it fails.

Blame the justice system; blame the narrow-minded attitudes of the employers who won't give these other convicted individuals a chance.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 04:37 AM
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18. LOL
they took a chance on a dog-torturer, knowing he could play football and make them money. PLEASE.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 12:43 PM
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23. Like it or not, that's their prerogative.
There's no use pissing and moaning about something they had the right to do. People here are just angry because they can't stand that anything took a positive turn for Vick in any way, shape or form.

Go take up the REAL issue with the other employers who won't hire people convicted of lesser offenses.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 02:27 PM
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27. Exactly.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:58 PM
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14. The Michael Vick Double Standard: Ben Roethlisberger
Never mind Ray Lewis...

:eyes:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 03:25 AM
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15. Convicted of crimes vs. not even charged
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 12:44 PM
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24. Who?
Never heard of them...
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 03:41 AM
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16. Info regarding The Second Chance Act - link below
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 07:06 AM
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20. If the man was torturing and killing prostitutes, I could see the point....
"The man who was caught with a prostitute should have the same opportunity as the man who killed dogs because they didn’t perform, but that is not the case."

Uhm, analogy FAIL. Torturing and killing living beings, and negotiating sex with them for money, is not the same thing.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 09:02 AM
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21. How Is It The President's Fault
How is it the president's fault that those with a unique talent can more easily shake the stigma of a felony than those without a unique talent?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 06:16 PM
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28. It ISN'T - but that doesn't stop people from trying to tie it to him.
:crazy:
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Horned Owl Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 12:40 PM
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22. Celebrity double standard
Just another example of the double standard. Celebrities and the rich often receive a second chance (and we praise their "redemption"), yet we eagerly eat our own. I would have preferred to have seen President Obama select another example for praise, but he doesn't (and probably shouldn't) listen to my preferences. The larger issue is how we are so quick to forgive the celebrity class and the wealthy class, while never hesitating to condemn and vilify the transgressors who live down the street.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 02:25 PM
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26. +1 Welcome to DU.
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